[UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule changes

[Rob Harrison]

Hi,

No I'm not advocating that sort of rule. Location and choice of equipment 
are things way beyond the control of CC.

I'm asking for things we do have some knowledge of being grouped together 
under common parameters, not arbitary, simplistic groupings dependant on the 
power of rigs past or present.

My point re ERP was that a station with one antenna and 100w, was equivelant 
to two antennas and 50w, but the two stations would be in different sections 
due to one having multiple antennas. There seems to be a feeling that if you 
run a large array, you must also run high power.

Surely contesting is about improving your operating skills and your station, 
as best your situation allows. If anyone lives on a hill top overlooking the 
sea and runs 400w and 4x yagis with preamps and Helix, and no neighbours, 
then good luck to them. I know I will never beat them because of my 
location, and  how far I can take that station in this location. Not a 
problem.

So you've got personal circumstances and the the rules. The rules should as 
far as practicable be fair to all.

73 Bob






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David" <g3yyd at btinternet.com>
To: "UK-Contest at contesting. com" <UK-Contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule changes


> If you start down this route then do we ban people who live on hill tops
> because in effect they have a mast that is very much taller than the guy 
> who
> lives in the valley?
>
> I live in a valley and therefore cannot hear stations that guys on nearby
> hill tops can hear at S9 or more. They have a lot more than a 3dB 
> advantage.
> This is about contesting and if someone has an advantage for whatever 
> reason
> great to them.
>
> Incidentally do the calculation and you will find that a 3dB advantage on 
> 2m
> troposcatter, which is what we are using, gives a distance increase of 
> about
> 25Km. If you are already doing 500Km then 25km does not add in many if any
> extra QSOs. To get another 100Km +11dB is needed, which would require 
> going
> from a single Yagi to 16 of them.
>
> 73 David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Bryan
> Sent: 01 January 2012 12:24
> To: UK Contest List
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule canges
>
> I agree with Bob - go for erp. It is fairer and you dont get the situation
> like some find themselves where they dont fit any section.
>
> To get an extra 3dB or so you generally have to double the length of the
> antenna or add a second one. The AR rules allow you to do the former but 
> not
> the later. Not all of us can fit a 10m long antenna over our property, I 
> am
> limited to about 2m but I could easily stack two vertically. I havent as
> then I have to enter Open.
>
> The issue will be at what level you set the erp for AR. My guess would be
> 2.5kW refered to isotropic which would cater for most typical antennas 
> with
> 100W in. To allow for someone with an m2 or similar you would have to 
> raise
> it to 5kW or so. Of course this means you no longer have to take the 
> feeder
> loss into account unless you have 400W!!!
>
> 73
> Malcolm
> G8MCA / F1VNR
>
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