[UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule canges

Sun Jan 1 07:49:49 PST 2012

Hi,

Bob doesn't prefer to run 50w into 2x15, it's my surrounding circumstances and it's my day to day set-up, unlike some I don't change my antennas every week to suit contests. I "chose " AX as I couldn't enter AR, a more appropriate section for my ERP. 

At least I've got some support from Tony and Malcolm, re multi-antennas and lower power. I think more debate is needed to sort this one out, and to come up with workable solutions to the objections to ERP that CC will run with.

As for the thinking behind multiple fixed antennas at  a home location, is anyone actually doing this, or know anyone who is?  

Bob G8HGN  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ray James 
  To: Tony Collett ; Rob Harrison ; uk-contests 
  Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 3:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule canges

  Hi Tony,
  Just checked Bob's set up and see it's 2x15el phased not two separate rotatable systems.
  Right, that continues to place him in the AO or AX section as he chose last year.
  Therefore it has nothing to do with my suggestion for the AR section.
  The fact Bob prefers to run with an antenna system apt for AO but a power level applicable to AR is his choice.
  Looking forward to lots of contacts with you in 2012 Tony. 

  HNY.
  73 Ray GM4CXM

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  From: Tony Collett <tony.nbs at btinternet.com>
  To: Rob Harrison <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>; uk-contests <uk-contest at contesting.com>; Ray James <gm4cxm at yahoo.co.uk> 
  Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012, 14:32
  Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule canges

  I see the minefield has been opened!

  The wording desperately needs clarifying, but to what?
  Bob's problem is exactly as per your last paragraph Ray - less than 100W but using 2 phased (stacked) aerials. Not enough power to be competetive in AO, can't enter AR even under the new rules so has to be AX.

  When coming back on 23 I had to bin my 4*23ele system in favour of a single 55ele so I could enter AR with my 25W, I'm sure others have done similar things with power and/or aerial changes.

  The basic idea is a good one, just needs a bit more thought put to how best to implement it. Personally I think a maximum number of aerials allowed needs setting if you want average home stations to be able to compete against those living in large real estates or /P.

  Look forward to working you all in 2012
  73
  Tony G4NBS

  --- On Sun, 1/1/12, Ray James <gm4cxm at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

  From: Ray James <gm4cxm at yahoo.co.uk>
  Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule canges
  To: "Rob Harrison" <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>, "uk-contests" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
  Date: Sunday, 1 January, 2012, 14:14

  Hi Bob,
  I thought what I wrote was pretty clear. Obviously not!

  "Restricted" and "Low Power" no more than 100w/no more than 10w and 
  "Only one horizontal or vertically polarised fixed or rotatable antenna 
  may be used at any one time".

  Running less than 100w and more than 10w would put you in the AR section as long as you're only using one of your 2 single antenna rotatable systems at any given time.
  It would be unusual to be two horizontal rotatable single horizontal yagis so lets assume its a 12el horizontal and you also have an 8el vertically polarised antenna on another support.
  In your case I am suggesting switching between both rotary systems would permitted. Simple. Same for someone with a horizontal yagi and a colinear, simple and a typical VHF/UHF station arrangement.
  What is not typical and probably very rare indeed is someone with multiple fixed yagis as per the current wording. I'm suggesting simplifying it to a typical amateur antenna set up. 

  The important point for AR is you are only using ONE antenna at any given time, otherwise you'd be in the AO section if for example you were splitting power to another antenna.
  73 HNY Ray GM4CXM

  ________________________________
  From: Rob Harrison <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>
  To: uk-contests <uk-contest at contesting.com> 
  Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012, 12:03
  Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule canges

  "Open" is very straightforward, over 100w up to 400w and no antenna restrictions.

  "Restricted" and "Low Power" no more than 100w/no more than 10w and "Only one horizontal or vertically polarised fixed or rotatable antenna may be used at any one time".

  Ok so where does that leave myself and a few others who have 2  rotatable antennas by run less than 100W per band.

  Can't do AO not enough TX power, can't do AR too many antennas, can't do AL too much power. So AX is forced on us.

  If you can alter the rules to accomodate those with beams and verticals, surely a small tweak could accomodate us. Two beams and 50W is on a par with one beam and 100W I would think. 

  Why not grasp the nettle and go for ERP sections? Don't say you can't police it, most people are honest and would put down what they are using, you can't police most of the rules anyway, as has been said many times on here, and by CC members. 

  73 Bob G8HGN 
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