[UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule canges

Sun Jan 1 08:08:07 PST 2012

Hi Bob

My guess is there are very few with multiple fixed antennas but no rotator.
Most likely I would think is a fixed horizontal beam (in the loft) and a
vertical for FM.

As it happens I run this sort of setup at the French QTH. I live in a
valley on a north facing slope. My only sensible VHF takeoff is NE so I
have a 4 ele in the loft beamed that way which allows me to work ON, PA
etc. I also have a 4 ele on 313 deg pointing at UK but with a ridge 50m
higher than me in the way. The 4 ele is wide enough to cover the UK without
rotating.

However, there is no need to use the NE antenna in UKACs as I get no points
for working non UK stations !!!! I also have a omni directional vertical
for working FM mobiles

My guess is this is a relatively unusual set of circumstances and is the
main reason I generally do UKACs from the portable location on top of the
ridge. However, I support the changes if it gets other people on.

73
Malcolm
G8MCA / F1VNR

On 1 January 2012 15:49, Rob Harrison <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Bob doesn't prefer to run 50w into 2x15, it's my surrounding circumstances
> and it's my day to day set-up, unlike some I don't change my antennas every
> week to suit contests. I "chose " AX as I couldn't enter AR, a more
> appropriate section for my ERP.
>
> At least I've got some support from Tony and Malcolm, re multi-antennas
> and lower power. I think more debate is needed to sort this one out, and to
> come up with workable solutions to the objections to ERP that CC will run
> with.
>
> As for the thinking behind multiple fixed antennas at  a home location, is
> anyone actually doing this, or know anyone who is?
>
> Bob G8HGN
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ray James
>  To: Tony Collett ; Rob Harrison ; uk-contests
>  Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 3:14 PM
>  Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule canges
>
>
>  Hi Tony,
>  Just checked Bob's set up and see it's 2x15el phased not two separate
> rotatable systems.
>  Right, that continues to place him in the AO or AX section as he chose
> last year.
>  Therefore it has nothing to do with my suggestion for the AR section.
>  The fact Bob prefers to run with an antenna system apt for AO but a power
> level applicable to AR is his choice.
>  Looking forward to lots of contacts with you in 2012 Tony.
>
>  HNY.
>  73 Ray GM4CXM
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  From: Tony Collett <tony.nbs at btinternet.com>
>  To: Rob Harrison <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>; uk-contests <
> uk-contest at contesting.com>; Ray James <gm4cxm at yahoo.co.uk>
>  Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012, 14:32
>  Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule canges
>
>  I see the minefield has been opened!
>
>  The wording desperately needs clarifying, but to what?
>  Bob's problem is exactly as per your last paragraph Ray - less than 100W
> but using 2 phased (stacked) aerials. Not enough power to be competetive in
> AO, can't enter AR even under the new rules so has to be AX.
>
>  When coming back on 23 I had to bin my 4*23ele system in favour of a
> single 55ele so I could enter AR with my 25W, I'm sure others have done
> similar things with power and/or aerial changes.
>
>  The basic idea is a good one, just needs a bit more thought put to how
> best to implement it. Personally I think a maximum number of aerials
> allowed needs setting if you want average home stations to be able to
> compete against those living in large real estates or /P.
>
>  Look forward to working you all in 2012
>  73
>  Tony G4NBS
>
>  --- On Sun, 1/1/12, Ray James <gm4cxm at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>  From: Ray James <gm4cxm at yahoo.co.uk>
>  Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule canges
>  To: "Rob Harrison" <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>, "uk-contests" <
> uk-contest at contesting.com>
>  Date: Sunday, 1 January, 2012, 14:14
>
>
>  Hi Bob,
>  I thought what I wrote was pretty clear. Obviously not!
>
>  "Restricted" and "Low Power" no more than 100w/no more than 10w and
>  "Only one horizontal or vertically polarised fixed or rotatable antenna
>  may be used at any one time".
>
>
>  Running less than 100w and more than 10w would put you in the AR section
> as long as you're only using one of your 2 single antenna rotatable systems
> at any given time.
>  It would be unusual to be two horizontal rotatable single horizontal
> yagis so lets assume its a 12el horizontal and you also have an 8el
> vertically polarised antenna on another support.
>  In your case I am suggesting switching between both rotary systems would
> permitted. Simple. Same for someone with a horizontal yagi and a colinear,
> simple and a typical VHF/UHF station arrangement.
>  What is not typical and probably very rare indeed is someone with
> multiple fixed yagis as per the current wording. I'm suggesting simplifying
> it to a typical amateur antenna set up.
>
>  The important point for AR is you are only using ONE antenna at any given
> time, otherwise you'd be in the AO section if for example you were
> splitting power to another antenna.
>  73 HNY Ray GM4CXM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  ________________________________
>  From: Rob Harrison <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>
>  To: uk-contests <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>  Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012, 12:03
>  Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 2012 UKAC = Rule canges
>
>  "Open" is very straightforward, over 100w up to 400w and no antenna
> restrictions.
>
>  "Restricted" and "Low Power" no more than 100w/no more than 10w and "Only
> one horizontal or vertically polarised fixed or rotatable antenna may be
> used at any one time".
>
>  Ok so where does that leave myself and a few others who have 2  rotatable
> antennas by run less than 100W per band.
>
>  Can't do AO not enough TX power, can't do AR too many antennas, can't do
> AL too much power. So AX is forced on us.
>
>  If you can alter the rules to accomodate those with beams and verticals,
> surely a small tweak could accomodate us. Two beams and 50W is on a par
> with one beam and 100W I would think.
>
>  Why not grasp the nettle and go for ERP sections? Don't say you can't
> police it, most people are honest and would put down what they are using,
> you can't police most of the rules anyway, as has been said many times on
> here, and by CC members.
>
>  73 Bob G8HGN
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