[UK-CONTEST] Start & End Times

[Tony G4NBS]

Not on the fence at all Paul

The relevance of GJV verses Minos was lost on you, sorry I didn't explain.
Was meaning to say GJV took the logging as it was accepted on VHF at the
time the program was written (in DOS days). Minos being updated for Windose
now takes the rules as they are interpreted today.

It was always accepted (back then) that Mastermind rules applied. Things
appear to have changed and the point of my comment was the same as Bob's. It
might have been discussed and confirmed for HF contests but the VHF contests
were not (as far as I'm aware) ever advised of a change in attitude. Not
that long ago they were different committees with different interpretations
of the same ruling it seems. Thought Bob covered the "extra" time comment
quite well so no comment needed other than if its been abused by some then I
understand the reasons for tightening up. No objections, just attempting to
explain why it appears different between the two camps.

>From previous posts I see you believe all reports should be 59(9) - I think
a lot of VHF contesters still prefer to have a meaningful exchange and not
have HF ideals forced onto them? The relevence is that on HF you only want
to hear call and serial, the exchange is complete in next to no time and 4
QSO's would be in the log before the minute clocked over.

Regards
Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com]On Behalf Of Paul O'Kane
Sent: 07 June 2012 21:36
To: uk-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Start & End Times


On 07/06/2012 21:08, Tony G4NBS wrote:

> On VHF we give REAL reports and (used to?)

That is a separate issue.


> accept sometimes it takes a
> couple of minutes to complete a QSO.
> HF is different - maybe 4 QSO's in a minute without unneccessary
information

Have you ever had QSOs over 10000 miles on 160m?
It can take more than a couple of minutes to
complete a QSO.  In any case, and once again,
this has no bearing on the issue.

With regard to the rules for both VHF and HF
contests, "End Time" is just that, and nothing
else.

> (such as callsign, QTH and a meaningful report) being exchanged.

Good for you :-)  But, how is this relevant to
some VHF contesters wanting (and feeling they
deserve) extra time, after the end time of a
contest.

> So perhaps VHF contesting needs to be treated slightly different to HF
when
> considering rule changes.

I don't mind repeating this as many times as
necessary, but for as long as words in English
have consistent meanings, the phrase "End Time"
is frequency-independent.

> Certainly as a VHF only contester I don't remember being told that I must
> only accept 59 or been made aware of the instant cutoff of a QSO at the
end.

Time to get real, perhaps?   Sorry to be blunt,
but End Time does not allow for the concept of
"I've started, so I'll finish" .

> Like Bob says GJV logged the start of the QSO, but Minos the end - many's
> the time I've had to go back and edit the time as I forgot to hit the
enter
> key...

How has that contributed in any meaningful
way to the issue.  Either you accept the
contest is over at the end time, or you don't.
If you don't, they maybe you are special in
some way so that the rules don't always apply
to you?

Are there other rules for VHF/UHF contesting
that are open to individual interpretation?
I suggest it's time to get off the fence.

73,
Paul EI5DI





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