[UK-CONTEST] 23cm UKCC

g4hgi g4hgi at live.com
Thu Mar 22 12:18:52 PDT 2012 

Great to hear you on Chris !

I'm was surprised you heard me .......your rx is working fb

Perhaps there was some un suspecting Boeing coming into Birmingham ..or even 
Bristol !

Cheers Richard


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Parnell" <chris-g0hfx at hotmail.co.uk>
To: "UK contest Committee" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 23cm UKCC


>
>
> Hi Ray,
>
> Sorry you were one of many stations not worked, but perhaps another time.
>
> This was my first ever time on 23cm and although not that many Q`s in the 
> log, I found it exciting.
>
> Using here also only 10w to a 23 ele tonna, it seemed to be an evening of 
> two halves, from 2000 til circa 2100 most
> sigs were 59+ and during this time the best distances were worked several 
> over 250Km but from 2100 onwards sigs
> were more usually around s2 with deep QSB and several were missed. 
> Although CW was used in calling no Q`s
> were made.
> No KST help and no use of 2m talk back (perhaps a future improvement)was 
> made and unfortunately no station north
> of 83 loc were heard or worked.
>
> Located in IO80 at approx 270m asl with clear take-off to NW thru E I 
> expected a few
> more in the log, but I guess not many beaming my way.
>
> Thanks to all for Q`s  and sorry to those missed in QSB, looking fwd to 
> next one.
>
> de Chris G0HFX (TDARC)
>
>
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>> 1. March 23cm UKAC - Report (Ray James)
>> 2. Re: New HF CW Field Day rules (Chairman, RSGB Contest Committee)
>> 3. Re: New HF CW Field Day rules (dave at g4buo.com)
>> 4. Re: New HF CW Field Day rules (Ken Chandler)
>> 5. Re: New HF CW Field Day rules (dave at g4buo.com)
>> 6. Re: New HF CW Field Day rules (Robert Chipperfield)
>> 7. Re: New HF CW Field Day rules (Ken Chandler)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:49:09 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: Ray James <gm4cxm at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] March 23cm UKAC - Report
>> To: ukmicrowaves at yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: UK Contesting <uk-contest at contesting.com>,
>> gmbeacon at yahoogroups.com
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>>
>> Hi all,
>> Last nights 23cm UKAC continued the trend of increasing activity month on 
>> month and benefitted with slightly above average conditions in most 
>> directions from my location.
>>
>> It was impossible to work everyone in the allotted time which always 
>> makes for an interesting time as you race the clock.
>>
>> At least 13 stations were active from GM this month. ?
>>
>> I managed to crack the 40 QSO's barrier for the first time, finishing 
>> with 42 and a good number of G's finished with over 50. I expect Ian at 
>> G8OHM to surpass 60, maybe even 70!
>> These are incredible figures considering it wasn't that many years ago 
>> when single figure totals were the norm and reflect the ever increasing 
>> migration of stations looking for a new challenge in the hobby.
>>
>> Though high ERP certainly makes life a wee bit easier, many stations run 
>> 10w or less and getting consistantly good results and in particular if 
>> using CW.
>> Examples this month for me include Keith G4ODA IO92 (10w), Tim M0AFJ IO92 
>> (9w), Mike G0CDA IO83 (10w SSB) and Richard G4HGI IO83 (3w).
>>
>> ODX this month was Kjeld OZ1FF in JO45 with a very quick exchange made by 
>> aircraft reflection. David M0GHZ IO81 presented the most impressive 
>> contact by this method with a booming s9 contact done and dusted at 
>> typical "HF" speed in a matter of seconds!
>>
>> My QSO Map can be viewed at 
>> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://www.rsgbcc.org/vhf/kml_files/2012/uTvqSSCqi7feUDXovLY7eHFhCh4rMaQ
>>
>> 73 Ray GM4CXM IO75TW
>> 150w 4x44 + LNA
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:17:16 +0000
>> From: "Chairman, RSGB Contest Committee" <g3sqx at edtaylor.org>
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] New HF CW Field Day rules
>> To: "uk-contest at contesting.com" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Message-ID: <4F69E2EC.1020602 at edtaylor.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>
>> Just a postscript -- the initial ideas about antenna rules for the
>> Restricted Section were suggested by GM3SEK and GM3ZBE (SK) -- thanks to
>> both.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Ed Taylor, GW3SQX
>> Chairman, RSGB Contest Committee
>>
>> ===========================
>>
>> On 2012-03-20 12:57, Chairman, RSGB Contest Committee wrote:
>> >
>> > As some of you have already noticed, we have published new rules for
>> > CW Field Day -- please see
>> > http://www.rsgbcc.org/hf/rules/2012/rnfd.shtml
>> >
>> > The rules for this contest have not changed for many years, and
>> > although that has had the benefit of stability, it has also not kept
>> > pace with modern equipment and the way that entrants now generally
>> > operate (or would like to operate).
>> >
>> > The main areas of change relate to the equipment used and to
>> > antennas. You will know that transceivers with a second receiver have
>> > been permitted in Field Day as a means of seeking additional
>> > contacts. This has limited the scope for those groups without an
>> > appropriate rig, so the rules for all sections have therefore been
>> > changed to allow two transceivers provided only one signal is
>> > transmitted at a time.
>> >
>> > As far as antennas are concerned, the previous rules allowed a single
>> > element antenna with a maximum of 2 elevated support points and a
>> > maximum height of 11m. This offered limited scope for innovation &
>> > experimentation, so the new rules have been designed to allow more
>> > possibilities without a large increase in club resources.
>> >
>> > There are other changes, and explanations are given in a set of
>> > Frequently Asked Questions referred to in the main rules. These FAQS
>> > will be expanded as a result of questions and comments from entrants
>> > -- please email nfd.logs at rsgbcc.org .
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Ed Taylor, GW3SQX
>> > Chairman, RSGB Contest Committee
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:39:36 -0000
>> From: dave at g4buo.com
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] New HF CW Field Day rules
>> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
>> Message-ID: <2843eb95923ede898911d564441a4ad4.squirrel at localhost>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Perhaps Ed or Ian could explain how the Restricted section is really
>> restricted any more.
>>
>> Granted, you can still go out with your two 11m masts but does anyone
>> seriously doubt that a doublet at 22m will outperform a doublet at 11m?
>>
>> So, to be competitive in the Restricted section you now need a tower. Add
>> a 4m cross-arm and you can build a very effective 2 element driven array,
>> with balanced feeders down to ground level youve got gain and instant
>> direction reversal, on several bands. So the group that currently drives
>> to NFD with a few scaffold poles on the car roof rack is going to be
>> marginalised.
>>
>> While the 22m total height is a good idea, allowing for example a
>> horizontal loop on three 7m masts if you want, I think it is a mistake to
>> remove the 11m height restriction for the so-called Restricted and QRP
>> sections.
>>
>> And, to be competitive you are also going to have to invest in an
>> interlock, bandpass filters and perhaps a triplexer. This was great fun 
>> in
>> WRTC but I simply do not feel it is appropriate for the *Restricted*
>> section of NFD.
>>
>> Dave G4BUO
>>
>> >
>> > Just a postscript -- the initial ideas about antenna rules for the
>> > Restricted Section were suggested by GM3SEK and GM3ZBE (SK) -- thanks 
>> > to
>> > both.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Ed Taylor, GW3SQX
>> > Chairman, RSGB Contest Committee
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:06:41 +0000
>> From: Ken Chandler <g0orh at sky.com>
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] New HF CW Field Day rules
>> To: "dave at g4buo.com" <dave at g4buo.com>
>> Cc: "uk-contest at contesting.com" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Message-ID: <998981E5-8882-4CFA-A0BB-D042346C56D4 at sky.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Dave
>> As I see it, and I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong on this, but that 4m 
>> or so cross arms will need to come off the 22m total support length as 
>> its will be deemed as part of the support!!!
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Ken..G0ORH
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 Mar 2012, at 14:39, dave at g4buo.com wrote:
>>
>> > Perhaps Ed or Ian could explain how the Restricted section is really
>> > restricted any more.
>> >
>> > Granted, you can still go out with your two 11m masts but does anyone
>> > seriously doubt that a doublet at 22m will outperform a doublet at 11m?
>> >
>> > So, to be competitive in the Restricted section you now need a tower. 
>> > Add
>> > a 4m cross-arm and you can build a very effective 2 element driven 
>> > array,
>> > with balanced feeders down to ground level youve got gain and instant
>> > direction reversal, on several bands. So the group that currently 
>> > drives
>> > to NFD with a few scaffold poles on the car roof rack is going to be
>> > marginalised.
>> >
>> > While the 22m total height is a good idea, allowing for example a
>> > horizontal loop on three 7m masts if you want, I think it is a mistake 
>> > to
>> > remove the 11m height restriction for the so-called Restricted and QRP
>> > sections.
>> >
>> > And, to be competitive you are also going to have to invest in an
>> > interlock, bandpass filters and perhaps a triplexer. This was great fun 
>> > in
>> > WRTC but I simply do not feel it is appropriate for the *Restricted*
>> > section of NFD.
>> >
>> > Dave G4BUO
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Just a postscript -- the initial ideas about antenna rules for the
>> >> Restricted Section were suggested by GM3SEK and GM3ZBE (SK) -- thanks 
>> >> to
>> >> both.
>> >>
>> >> 73,
>> >>
>> >> Ed Taylor, GW3SQX
>> >> Chairman, RSGB Contest Committee
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > UK-Contest mailing list
>> > UK-Contest at contesting.com
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:11:42 -0000
>> From: dave at g4buo.com
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] New HF CW Field Day rules
>> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
>> Message-ID: <4052a4a867c48b124f5f73e805a26784.squirrel at localhost>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Good point, but that system at 18m would still be an awful lot better 
>> than
>> a doublet at 11m. So I repeat my question, is this really much of a
>> restriction? And if you choose just to use a doublet you are still 
>> getting
>> the full benefit of 22m height.
>>
>> Dave G4BUO
>>
>> > Dave
>> > As I see it, and I\'ll stand corrected if I\'m wrong on this, but that
>> 4m or
>> > so cross arms will need to come off the 22m total support length as its
>> > will be deemed as part of the support!!!
>> >
>> > regards
>> >
>> > Ken..G0ORH
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 21 Mar 2012, at 14:39, dave at g4buo.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Perhaps Ed or Ian could explain how the Restricted section is really
>> >> restricted any more.
>> >>
>> >> Granted, you can still go out with your two 11m masts but does anyone
>> >> seriously doubt that a doublet at 22m will outperform a doublet at 
>> >> 11m?
>> >>
>> >> So, to be competitive in the Restricted section you now need a tower.
>> >> Add
>> >> a 4m cross-arm and you can build a very effective 2 element driven
>> >> array,
>> >> with balanced feeders down to ground level youve got gain and instant
>> >> direction reversal, on several bands. So the group that currently 
>> >> drives
>> >> to NFD with a few scaffold poles on the car roof rack is going to be
>> >> marginalised.
>> >>
>> >> While the 22m total height is a good idea, allowing for example a
>> >> horizontal loop on three 7m masts if you want, I think it is a mistake
>> >> to
>> >> remove the 11m height restriction for the so-called Restricted and QRP
>> >> sections.
>> >>
>> >> And, to be competitive you are also going to have to invest in an
>> >> interlock, bandpass filters and perhaps a triplexer. This was great 
>> >> fun
>> >> in
>> >> WRTC but I simply do not feel it is appropriate for the *Restricted*
>> >> section of NFD.
>> >>
>> >> Dave G4BUO
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Just a postscript -- the initial ideas about antenna rules for the
>> >>> Restricted Section were suggested by GM3SEK and GM3ZBE (SK) -- thanks
>> >>> to
>> >>> both.
>> >>>
>> >>> 73,
>> >>>
>> >>> Ed Taylor, GW3SQX
>> >>> Chairman, RSGB Contest Committee
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:18:28 +0000
>> From: Robert Chipperfield <robert at syxis.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] New HF CW Field Day rules
>> To: dave at g4buo.com
>> Cc: uk-contest at contesting.com
>> Message-ID: <4F69F144.70403 at syxis.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Well, it's a doublet at 22m in the centre, but 0m (well, as high as you
>> can pull the strings out) at the ends, since you only have a single 22m
>> support.
>>
>> The new rules seem to open the contest up to a lot of really exciting
>> innovations - you can't use commercial beams, so if you want something
>> directional, you'll have to build it yourself, and there's no doubt
>> going to be some interesting trade-offs in the number of supports vs
>> height vs amount of support used for elements.
>>
>> And don't forget you'll need to save enough of the 120m wire allowance
>> for the low bands - so no using a half-wave dipole on top band and 80m
>> if you want anything the rest of the bands!
>>
>> I might be wrong, but my impression was that previously "restricted"
>> basically meant you used "the field day doublet", and if you did
>> anything else, you were silly. Now, we've got rules that allow for all
>> sorts of experimentation and variation with some interesting 
>> restrictions.
>>
>> To me, it's made it a much more exciting section that it was before...
>>
>> 73,
>> Rob, M0VFC
>>
>> On 21/03/2012 15:11, dave at g4buo.com wrote:
>> > Good point, but that system at 18m would still be an awful lot better 
>> > than
>> > a doublet at 11m. So I repeat my question, is this really much of a
>> > restriction? And if you choose just to use a doublet you are still 
>> > getting
>> > the full benefit of 22m height.
>> >
>> > Dave G4BUO
>> >
>> >> Dave
>> >> As I see it, and I\'ll stand corrected if I\'m wrong on this, but that
>> > 4m or
>> >> so cross arms will need to come off the 22m total support length as 
>> >> its
>> >> will be deemed as part of the support!!!
>> >>
>> >> regards
>> >>
>> >> Ken..G0ORH
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 21 Mar 2012, at 14:39, dave at g4buo.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Perhaps Ed or Ian could explain how the Restricted section is really
>> >>> restricted any more.
>> >>>
>> >>> Granted, you can still go out with your two 11m masts but does anyone
>> >>> seriously doubt that a doublet at 22m will outperform a doublet at 
>> >>> 11m?
>> >>>
>> >>> So, to be competitive in the Restricted section you now need a tower.
>> >>> Add
>> >>> a 4m cross-arm and you can build a very effective 2 element driven
>> >>> array,
>> >>> with balanced feeders down to ground level youve got gain and instant
>> >>> direction reversal, on several bands. So the group that currently 
>> >>> drives
>> >>> to NFD with a few scaffold poles on the car roof rack is going to be
>> >>> marginalised.
>> >>>
>> >>> While the 22m total height is a good idea, allowing for example a
>> >>> horizontal loop on three 7m masts if you want, I think it is a 
>> >>> mistake
>> >>> to
>> >>> remove the 11m height restriction for the so-called Restricted and 
>> >>> QRP
>> >>> sections.
>> >>>
>> >>> And, to be competitive you are also going to have to invest in an
>> >>> interlock, bandpass filters and perhaps a triplexer. This was great 
>> >>> fun
>> >>> in
>> >>> WRTC but I simply do not feel it is appropriate for the *Restricted*
>> >>> section of NFD.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave G4BUO
>> >>>
>> >>>> Just a postscript -- the initial ideas about antenna rules for the
>> >>>> Restricted Section were suggested by GM3SEK and GM3ZBE (SK) --  
>> >>>> thanks
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> both.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 73,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ed Taylor, GW3SQX
>> >>>> Chairman, RSGB Contest Committee
>> >>>>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > UK-Contest mailing list
>> > UK-Contest at contesting.com
>> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/uk-contest
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:28:36 +0000
>> From: Ken Chandler <g0orh at sky.com>
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] New HF CW Field Day rules
>> To: "dave at g4buo.com" <dave at g4buo.com>
>> Cc: "uk-contest at contesting.com" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Message-ID: <D2B98604-C9B8-44BA-B299-0243B54938EB at sky.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Dave
>> Don't forget you will have not have any height on the ends, not even 
>> tree's will be allowed to hold the ends up as these become part of the 
>> 22m allocation!!
>> But even having the apex at 18m its still fairly good!!
>>
>> Ken..G0ORH
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 Mar 2012, at 15:11, dave at g4buo.com wrote:
>>
>> > Good point, but that system at 18m would still be an awful lot better 
>> > than
>> > a doublet at 11m. So I repeat my question, is this really much of a
>> > restriction? And if you choose just to use a doublet you are still 
>> > getting
>> > the full benefit of 22m height.
>> >
>> > Dave G4BUO
>> >
>> >> Dave
>> >> As I see it, and I\'ll stand corrected if I\'m wrong on this, but that
>> > 4m or
>> >> so cross arms will need to come off the 22m total support length as 
>> >> its
>> >> will be deemed as part of the support!!!
>> >>
>> >> regards
>> >>
>> >> Ken..G0ORH
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 21 Mar 2012, at 14:39, dave at g4buo.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Perhaps Ed or Ian could explain how the Restricted section is really
>> >>> restricted any more.
>> >>>
>> >>> Granted, you can still go out with your two 11m masts but does anyone
>> >>> seriously doubt that a doublet at 22m will outperform a doublet at 
>> >>> 11m?
>> >>>
>> >>> So, to be competitive in the Restricted section you now need a tower.
>> >>> Add
>> >>> a 4m cross-arm and you can build a very effective 2 element driven
>> >>> array,
>> >>> with balanced feeders down to ground level youve got gain and instant
>> >>> direction reversal, on several bands. So the group that currently 
>> >>> drives
>> >>> to NFD with a few scaffold poles on the car roof rack is going to be
>> >>> marginalised.
>> >>>
>> >>> While the 22m total height is a good idea, allowing for example a
>> >>> horizontal loop on three 7m masts if you want, I think it is a 
>> >>> mistake
>> >>> to
>> >>> remove the 11m height restriction for the so-called Restricted and 
>> >>> QRP
>> >>> sections.
>> >>>
>> >>> And, to be competitive you are also going to have to invest in an
>> >>> interlock, bandpass filters and perhaps a triplexer. This was great 
>> >>> fun
>> >>> in
>> >>> WRTC but I simply do not feel it is appropriate for the *Restricted*
>> >>> section of NFD.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave G4BUO
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Just a postscript -- the initial ideas about antenna rules for the
>> >>>> Restricted Section were suggested by GM3SEK and GM3ZBE (SK) --  
>> >>>> thanks
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> both.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 73,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ed Taylor, GW3SQX
>> >>>> Chairman, RSGB Contest Committee
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > UK-Contest mailing list
>> > UK-Contest at contesting.com
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