[UK-CONTEST] Short calls

Ken ken.g3lvp at btinternet.com
Tue Oct 2 11:00:13 EDT 2012 

"It is now 16 years since  were first made available. To
date 33 individual and a total of about 180 calls have been issued"

Seems to point to the fact that most operators find that they can manage
perfectly well without having to resort to the use of a short callsign.
Perhaps it's time that the rest of us should simply refuse to work those
stations using short calls.

"Dropping the report, shorter calls, where are we heading? I know you want to
make more QSO's in contests, but if you send virtually nothing, well what's
the point of it all??
73
Bob G8HGN"

Good question Bob, 59(9)'s DXcluster, setting up (VHF) QSO's via the web 'UBN's
(whatever they are).
Contests seems to have become more of a test of keyboard skills than anything else.

73...

Ken

G3LVP

  


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>     4. Short Contest calls (Clive GM3POI)
>     5. Re: Short Contest calls (Cocks, Stephen J)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:44:37 +0100
> From: "Chris Tran GM3WOJ" <gm3woj at christran.net>
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB 21/28MHz contest
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> Tuesday 2nd October 2012
>
> Hello UK-contesters
>
> Clive GM3POI and I have drawn up a proposal for a new HF contest, to replace
> the existing 21/28MHz contest, starting in October 2013.
>
> This year's 21/28MHz event is this coming weekend 6/7th October.
>
> Please visit :
>
> www.qsl.net/gm3woj/rsgbdxcontest.htm
>
> You can respond on this reflector or off-reflector to  gm3woj
> ..at...talk21.com
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> Thanks -73
>
> Chris
> GM3WOJ
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:44:09 +0100
> From: GORDON BROWN <gordonbrowns at virginmedia.com>
> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] (no subject)
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> I do agree with what is proposed but if one of the intentions is to
> encourage greater participation then I think two sections ? one for those
> with beams and one for those without are needed.  I enter contests because
> I enjoy them so much but for every nut like me there must be dozens who
> realize they are on a hiding to nothing and think they are wasting their
> time.
>
> Gordon G3MZV
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:09:35 +0100
> From: "Dave Sergeant" <dave at davesergeant.com>
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB 21/28MHz contest
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> OK, having read the rules, my initial comments are as follows.
>
> What I like:
> I agree that a change to an all band contest is welcome, 21/28 has
> become too far a specialised event for those with big stations. Hence I
> have only dabbled in recent years.
> Good - that QRP is defined as 5W, rather than the 10W RSGB seems to
> insist on.
> Postcodes as part of the exchange.
> Change of time 1200-1200 so includes both Sat and Sun
>
> What I dislike:
> 2.6 Full frequency in logs should be preferable but NOT a firm
> requirement.
> 2.10 Exchange - UK stations should send serial numbers as well as
> overseas entries - there will be a lot of confusion if this is not
> done. I can never support a contest that drops RS(T) if this happens in
> the future.
> 2.13 Submission deadline - as I have already commented on this
> reflector, 5 days is far too short. It should at least include the
> following weekend, so 10 days is not unreasonable.
> 2.14 Penalties. Good to see penalties for mislogged calls, though
> possibly 2x the points is a bit too severe. Does this also include
> NIL's like WPX does which may not be all your own fault?
>
> I understand the aims in trying to get full frequency logging,
> millisecond timings and instant submission but these will only deter
> newcomers like those coming from the CCs, and also /P operations. We
> should not just turn these away.
>
> I am also a bit uneasy about the suggestion that Chris and Clive would
> administer it. My feeling is that it should still be largely the
> contest committee (maybe you will join it?).
>
> 73 Dave G3YMC
>
> On 2 Oct 2012 at 8:44, Chris Tran GM3WOJ wrote:
>
>> Clive GM3POI and I have drawn up a proposal for a new HF contest, to
>> replace the existing 21/28MHz contest, starting in October 2013.
>>
>> This year's 21/28MHz event is this coming weekend 6/7th October.
>>
>> Please visit :
>>
>> www.qsl.net/gm3woj/rsgbdxcontest.htm
>>
>> You can respond on this reflector or off-reflector to  gm3woj
>> ..at...talk21.com
>>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:16:51 -0000
> From: "Clive GM3POI" <gm3poi2 at btinternet.com>
> To: "'UK Contest'" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Short Contest calls
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> Hi All,
> 	It is now 16 years since short calls were first made available. To
> date 33 individual and a total of about 180 calls have been issued out of
> 520 available.
> 	Is it not now well overdue  that we now  be allowed to use these
> callsigns in ANY Contest. Listening on the bands in any smaller contests
> shows the regular use in other Countries of short calls.
> 	 I am sure that Ofcom would be open to such a request, and it should
> be routine for the CC to encourage their use in in Many of  their  Contests.
> 	I cannot see the point of holding a contest call that you cannot use
> in any Contest.
> 73 Clive GM3POI
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:27:13 +0000
> From: "Cocks, Stephen J" <stephen.cocks at Honeywell.com>
> To: 'UK Contest' <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Short Contest calls
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> Under the present rules most clubs will loose their short contest call at the end of next year anyway.
>
> 73 Steve G4ZUL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: UK-Contest [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Clive GM3POI
> Sent: 02 October 2012 11:17
> To: 'UK Contest'
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Short Contest calls
>
> Hi All,
> 	It is now 16 years since short calls were first made available. To
> date 33 individual and a total of about 180 calls have been issued out of
> 520 available.
> 	Is it not now well overdue  that we now  be allowed to use these
> callsigns in ANY Contest. Listening on the bands in any smaller contests
> shows the regular use in other Countries of short calls.
> 	 I am sure that Ofcom would be open to such a request, and it should
> be routine for the CC to encourage their use in in Many of  their  Contests.
> 	I cannot see the point of holding a contest call that you cannot use
> in any Contest.
> 73 Clive GM3POI
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 11:38:49 +0100
> From: Roger Thawley <roger.thawley at sky.com>
> To: "'Clive GM3POI'" <gm3poi2 at btinternet.com>,	"'UK Contest'"
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> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Short Contest calls
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> Agreed.
>
> Hmm, that's it, nothing more to add.
>
> Roger, G0BSU
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: UK-Contest [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Clive GM3POI
> Sent: 02 October 2012 11:17
> To: 'UK Contest'
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Short Contest calls
>
> Hi All,
> 	It is now 16 years since short calls were first made available. To
> date 33 individual and a total of about 180 calls have been issued out of
> 520 available.
> 	Is it not now well overdue  that we now  be allowed to use these
> callsigns in ANY Contest. Listening on the bands in any smaller contests
> shows the regular use in other Countries of short calls.
> 	 I am sure that Ofcom would be open to such a request, and it should
> be routine for the CC to encourage their use in in Many of  their  Contests.
> 	I cannot see the point of holding a contest call that you cannot use
> in any Contest.
> 73 Clive GM3POI
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 11:50:51 +0100
> From: "Rob Harrison" <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Clive GM3POI" <gm3poi2 at btinternet.com>,	"'UK Contest'"
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> Hi,
>
>
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clive GM3POI" <gm3poi2 at btinternet.com>
> To: "'UK Contest'" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:16 AM
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Short Contest calls
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>
>> Hi All,
>> It is now 16 years since short calls were first made available. To
>> date 33 individual and a total of about 180 calls have been issued out of
>> 520 available.
>> Is it not now well overdue  that we now  be allowed to use these
>> callsigns in ANY Contest. Listening on the bands in any smaller contests
>> shows the regular use in other Countries of short calls.
>> I am sure that Ofcom would be open to such a request, and it should
>> be routine for the CC to encourage their use in in Many of  their
>> Contests.
>> I cannot see the point of holding a contest call that you cannot use
>> in any Contest.
>> 73 Clive GM3POI
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 11:51:27 +0100
> From: "Rob Harrison" <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB 21/28MHz contest
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> Hi Chris,
>
> As one of those who wanted the 21/28 contest to remain in the calendar (what
> were they thinking!) I welcome your proposal in general and thanks for the
> opportunity to respond.
>
> I'm new to HF, but 28Mhz has always held a fascination for me, it was the
> catalyst to obtaining my license in 1973. To test the waters I put up a low
> dipole(3M agl) for the 2011 ARRL 10M and had a good time with 100w SSB
> playing around on and off over the weekend, and have dabbled a bit in other
> contests since.
>
> Whilst I can see your reasoning for extending the bands down to 80M, I can
> see that detracting from 10 & 15 specially over the next few years, with
> stations just using their existing antennas for "easy" contacts on 80 thru'
> 20M and not bothering with 10 & 15 if conditons are absent. Bit of a catch
> 22 that one.
>
> I don't use automatic PC logging as my station is set up primarily for
> VHF/UHF and whilst I use a PC contest logging program for scoring, it
> doesn't do frequency other the just band. I could log manually, but it would
> be a pain to transcribe afterwards. Would NN1N suffice with say 28.500 as a
> default frequency? Probably not, I used that post contest for the ARRL 10M
> with minute timings and it was accepted as an entry. I'm not sure what
> percentage of amateurs use a full logging program these days, but for me
> it's not a priority, and would involve extra expense, and there was quite a
> reluctance to it in the RSGB "Litmus test" proposals recently.
>
> Penalties, if you are going to be harsh, you have to be correct. If I'm
> wrong I deserve to lose points, if the other party caused the apparent error
> I do not. Until that is sorted out, and there seems to be a reluctance, that
> word again, to do that from some quarters, then harsh penalties will just
> drive people away feeling aggrieved.
>
> Contest exchanges need to have a bare minimun standard across all contests
> and all participants from wherever; you can add the extra info' if you wish
> as the organiser. The signal report should be the basic requirement. At the
> moment, on some weekends, there are upteen different formats being used
> which don't mix easily. Coming from a VHF background, where everyone works
> everyone more or less all the time in contests, I've found it strange when a
> station doesn't want to work me, due to his contest rules, but mine say he's
> fair game.
>
>
> 73
>
> Bob Harrison G8HGN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Tran GM3WOJ" <gm3woj at christran.net>
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:44 AM
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB 21/28MHz contest
>
>
>> Tuesday 2nd October 2012
>>
>> Hello UK-contesters
>>
>> Clive GM3POI and I have drawn up a proposal for a new HF contest, to
>> replace the existing 21/28MHz contest, starting in October 2013.
>>
>> This year's 21/28MHz event is this coming weekend 6/7th October.
>>
>> Please visit :
>>
>> www.qsl.net/gm3woj/rsgbdxcontest.htm
>>
>> You can respond on this reflector or off-reflector to  gm3woj
>> ..at...talk21.com
>>
>> Thanks -73
>>
>> Chris
>> GM3WOJ
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