[UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.

Tue Oct 23 17:30:08 EDT 2012

Chris, maybe you haven't noticed but this whole thread has been entirely and 
only to do with new CQWW rules - nothing at all to do with RSGB, IARU or any 
other contests. Seems you are being intentionally obtuse,
73 de Roger/G3SXW.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris G3SJJ
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:23 PM
Cc: Contest Reflector UK
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.

There ya go. I was correct all along. I can and will continue to put my log 
into Excel to find the the QSOs where I in advertantly logged something
which I didn't transmit! I will do it when convenient over a week or so. 
Jeez, it's taken about 200 emails to get to this state! I am not concerned
about the CQWW events as I don't take those seriously. More concerned with 
RSGB contests.

We still haven't heard from the multi-ops who do the IARU contest etc on how 
detailed they go into checking callsigns, serial numbers, zones etc.

Chris G3SJJ

On 23/10/2012 19:58, Richard Allisette wrote:
> Hello again Roger,
> Well I did try to RTFM and unless I am even more senile than the XYL says 
> I am, I think I can still use any sort of database to check my log 
> provided it is within the 48 hours of the contest. So I could legally use 
> a database to check call signs in the last few hours of the contest if I 
> wish.
> That was what I was on about.
> Time for a beer!
>
> 73 GU4CHY
>
> On 23 Oct 2012, at 19:49, Roger Western <g3sxw at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Puzzled,
>> Just RTFM ! ! !
>> It is permitted to change logged QSOs during and/or after the contest - 
>> BUT only if you know that you inadvertently logged something wrong which 
>> you did not transmit. See below!
>> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Allisette
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:44 PM
>> To: Roger Western
>> Cc: uk-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.
>>
>> Roger,
>> I am hoping to do 10m SBHP in the CW leg this year. Let us suppose that 
>> the band folds at 20.00z. I can then do any log alterations I think that 
>> need to be done in the four hours of the contest period remaining.
>> Am I reading this right? Seems daft but could a future strategy include 
>> making sure you finish before the contest period ends to "cleanse" your 
>> log - you might save more points than bashing on till midnight?
>>
>> Puzzled of Guernsey,
>>
>> GU4CHY
>>
>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 19:23, Roger Western <g3sxw at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Look, chaps, let's all stop mis-stating what has been published. See:
>>> http://www.cqww.com/rules_2012changes.htm
>>>
>>> It is perfectly clear. But you do need to spend two minutes reading it!
>>> Yes, it makes perfect sense, Brian (and others today)!
>>> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>>
>>> NEW RULE:
>>> CQWW Rule III.13: Post-contest correcting of call signs by using any 
>>> database, recordings or confirming QSOs is not allowed.
>>>
>>> EXPLANATION:
>>> When the contest period ends, do not use any sort of database, local or 
>>> remote, to review and then modify the callsigns in your log prior to 
>>> submission.
>>>
>>> Use of QRZ.com, DX Cluster, RBN files, other call sign databases, 
>>> friends’ or club logs, etc., are considered to be other data sources and 
>>> are not allowed for post-contest call correction.
>>>
>>> Having friends or experts who were not “the entrant” review the log also 
>>> “counts” as a database (not permitted).
>>>
>>> A recording of your own contest effort, whether digital or analog, is 
>>> considered to be a database, even if you made the recording yourself.
>>>
>>> Q: “After the contest I noticed a typing mistake. What should I do?”
>>>
>>> You have to determine whether the call sign you logged is the call sign 
>>> you sent during the QSO in question (see rule XII.2 below for more 
>>> information). If you are certain that this is a logging error, AND that 
>>> what you logged does not match what you actually sent, then make the 
>>> correction. If the committee’s SDR file shows that what you submitted on 
>>> your log does not match what you sent during the contest exchange, you 
>>> are in violation of the rules.
>>>
>>> Your decision must be based purely on your inspection of the log. You 
>>> may not use any database or other resources to review your log
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: brian coyne
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:33 PM
>>> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
>>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> p.s. what's SCP?
>>>> G3LVP
>>> Ken
>>> SCP (SuperCheck Partial) is a database file which can be incorporated 
>>> into your contest logging file.
>>> The database is compiled by scrutinising logs from previous contests to 
>>> extract the callsigns of active contesting stations. On the CQ Contest 
>>> Reflector we see requests from the compilers of this database after just 
>>> about every major (and not so major) contest requesting logs to capture 
>>> any new calls which may stray into the fold.
>>>
>>> This database can be called into a window to check callsigns the 
>>> contester is not sure about during the event - hence my comment about 
>>> guessing games.
>>>
>>> As for the comment about using my full call - well, imagine if they 
>>> cannot get just 3 characters/letters correct how much more trouble would 
>>> I get using a combination of six!
>>>
>>> So, because it is not barred by the rules (in fact it is welcomed and 
>>> used by many) it is ok to cheat legally whereas to make an alteration of 
>>> a typo, marked at the time of making it, at a later time after the 
>>> contest is now regarded as cheating! Make sense to you? - not to me.
>>>
>>> I will repeat what I wrote earlier . The correction is  what I actually 
>>> sent, as per the rules, not something that I made up, guessed at or 
>>> referred to another source to discover.
>>>
>>> Sometimes reasonableness and common sense get left behind.
>>>
>>> 73  Brian 5B4AIZ / C4Z -
>>>
>>>
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