[UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.

[Chris G3SJJ]

No, Roger, I have made the point several times that the issue is a general one. In one email I described the post-contest situation for SSB FD. I have 
refered to putting contest logs in general into Excel. As you are aware there have recently been proposals to bring in 5 day log submission and 3x 
times points penalties into RSGB contests, neither of which would serve any useful purpose.

As regards IARU, well I would have thought the cheating aspect would also apply to that event or are you suggesting detailed post-contest log 
manipulation is acceptable in that and otehr events?

Chris G3SJJ


On 23/10/2012 22:30, Roger Western wrote:
> Chris, maybe you haven't noticed but this whole thread has been entirely and only to do with new CQWW rules - nothing at all to do with RSGB, IARU 
> or any other contests. Seems you are being intentionally obtuse,
> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Chris G3SJJ
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:23 PM
> Cc: Contest Reflector UK
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.
>
> There ya go. I was correct all along. I can and will continue to put my log into Excel to find the the QSOs where I in advertantly logged something
> which I didn't transmit! I will do it when convenient over a week or so. Jeez, it's taken about 200 emails to get to this state! I am not concerned
> about the CQWW events as I don't take those seriously. More concerned with RSGB contests.
>
> We still haven't heard from the multi-ops who do the IARU contest etc on how detailed they go into checking callsigns, serial numbers, zones etc.
>
> Chris G3SJJ
>
>
> On 23/10/2012 19:58, Richard Allisette wrote:
>> Hello again Roger,
>> Well I did try to RTFM and unless I am even more senile than the XYL says I am, I think I can still use any sort of database to check my log 
>> provided it is within the 48 hours of the contest. So I could legally use a database to check call signs in the last few hours of the contest if I 
>> wish.
>> That was what I was on about.
>> Time for a beer!
>>
>> 73 GU4CHY
>>
>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 19:49, Roger Western <g3sxw at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Puzzled,
>>> Just RTFM ! ! !
>>> It is permitted to change logged QSOs during and/or after the contest - BUT only if you know that you inadvertently logged something wrong which 
>>> you did not transmit. See below!
>>> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Allisette
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:44 PM
>>> To: Roger Western
>>> Cc: uk-contest at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.
>>>
>>> Roger,
>>> I am hoping to do 10m SBHP in the CW leg this year. Let us suppose that the band folds at 20.00z. I can then do any log alterations I think that 
>>> need to be done in the four hours of the contest period remaining.
>>> Am I reading this right? Seems daft but could a future strategy include making sure you finish before the contest period ends to "cleanse" your 
>>> log - you might save more points than bashing on till midnight?
>>>
>>> Puzzled of Guernsey,
>>>
>>> GU4CHY
>>>
>>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 19:23, Roger Western <g3sxw at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Look, chaps, let's all stop mis-stating what has been published. See:
>>>> http://www.cqww.com/rules_2012changes.htm
>>>>
>>>> It is perfectly clear. But you do need to spend two minutes reading it!
>>>> Yes, it makes perfect sense, Brian (and others today)!
>>>> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>>>
>>>> NEW RULE:
>>>> CQWW Rule III.13: Post-contest correcting of call signs by using any database, recordings or confirming QSOs is not allowed.
>>>>
>>>> EXPLANATION:
>>>> When the contest period ends, do not use any sort of database, local or remote, to review and then modify the callsigns in your log prior to 
>>>> submission.
>>>>
>>>> Use of QRZ.com, DX Cluster, RBN files, other call sign databases, friends’ or club logs, etc., are considered to be other data sources and are 
>>>> not allowed for post-contest call correction.
>>>>
>>>> Having friends or experts who were not “the entrant” review the log also “counts” as a database (not permitted).
>>>>
>>>> A recording of your own contest effort, whether digital or analog, is considered to be a database, even if you made the recording yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Q: “After the contest I noticed a typing mistake. What should I do?”
>>>>
>>>> You have to determine whether the call sign you logged is the call sign you sent during the QSO in question (see rule XII.2 below for more 
>>>> information). If you are certain that this is a logging error, AND that what you logged does not match what you actually sent, then make the 
>>>> correction. If the committee’s SDR file shows that what you submitted on your log does not match what you sent during the contest exchange, you 
>>>> are in violation of the rules.
>>>>
>>>> Your decision must be based purely on your inspection of the log. You may not use any database or other resources to review your log
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: brian coyne
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:33 PM
>>>> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
>>>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> p.s. what's SCP?
>>>>> G3LVP
>>>> Ken
>>>> SCP (SuperCheck Partial) is a database file which can be incorporated into your contest logging file.
>>>> The database is compiled by scrutinising logs from previous contests to extract the callsigns of active contesting stations. On the CQ Contest 
>>>> Reflector we see requests from the compilers of this database after just about every major (and not so major) contest requesting logs to capture 
>>>> any new calls which may stray into the fold.
>>>>
>>>> This database can be called into a window to check callsigns the contester is not sure about during the event - hence my comment about guessing 
>>>> games.
>>>>
>>>> As for the comment about using my full call - well, imagine if they cannot get just 3 characters/letters correct how much more trouble would I 
>>>> get using a combination of six!
>>>>
>>>> So, because it is not barred by the rules (in fact it is welcomed and used by many) it is ok to cheat legally whereas to make an alteration of a 
>>>> typo, marked at the time of making it, at a later time after the contest is now regarded as cheating! Make sense to you? - not to me.
>>>>
>>>> I will repeat what I wrote earlier . The correction is  what I actually sent, as per the rules, not something that I made up, guessed at or 
>>>> referred to another source to discover.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes reasonableness and common sense get left behind.
>>>>
>>>> 73  Brian 5B4AIZ / C4Z -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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