[UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.

Wed Oct 24 04:16:16 EDT 2012

Chris

The issue is not and cannot be a general one until such time as all
contests adopt the same rules.  Not in our lifetime.

All sensible discussion has been around the specific changes made to CQWW
rules.  A clue to the specific nature of discussion can be found in the
subject line of the majority of associated mails, including I might point
out, this one from you..  All generalised blathers amount to nothing more
than noise.

73 Bob, 5B4AGN

On 24 October 2012 08:07, Chris G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com> wrote:

> No, Roger, I have made the point several times that the issue is a general
> one. In one email I described the post-contest situation for SSB FD. I have
> refered to putting contest logs in general into Excel. As you are aware
> there have recently been proposals to bring in 5 day log submission and 3x
> times points penalties into RSGB contests, neither of which would serve any
> useful purpose.
>
> As regards IARU, well I would have thought the cheating aspect would also
> apply to that event or are you suggesting detailed post-contest log
> manipulation is acceptable in that and otehr events?
>
> Chris G3SJJ
>
>
>
> On 23/10/2012 22:30, Roger Western wrote:
>
>> Chris, maybe you haven't noticed but this whole thread has been entirely
>> and only to do with new CQWW rules - nothing at all to do with RSGB, IARU
>> or any other contests. Seems you are being intentionally obtuse,
>> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris G3SJJ
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:23 PM
>> Cc: Contest Reflector UK
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.
>>
>> There ya go. I was correct all along. I can and will continue to put my
>> log into Excel to find the the QSOs where I in advertantly logged something
>> which I didn't transmit! I will do it when convenient over a week or so.
>> Jeez, it's taken about 200 emails to get to this state! I am not concerned
>> about the CQWW events as I don't take those seriously. More concerned
>> with RSGB contests.
>>
>> We still haven't heard from the multi-ops who do the IARU contest etc on
>> how detailed they go into checking callsigns, serial numbers, zones etc.
>>
>> Chris G3SJJ
>>
>>
>> On 23/10/2012 19:58, Richard Allisette wrote:
>>
>>> Hello again Roger,
>>> Well I did try to RTFM and unless I am even more senile than the XYL
>>> says I am, I think I can still use any sort of database to check my log
>>> provided it is within the 48 hours of the contest. So I could legally use a
>>> database to check call signs in the last few hours of the contest if I wish.
>>> That was what I was on about.
>>> Time for a beer!
>>>
>>> 73 GU4CHY
>>>
>>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 19:49, Roger Western <g3sxw at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Dear Puzzled,
>>>> Just RTFM ! ! !
>>>> It is permitted to change logged QSOs during and/or after the contest -
>>>> BUT only if you know that you inadvertently logged something wrong which
>>>> you did not transmit. See below!
>>>> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Allisette
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:44 PM
>>>> To: Roger Western
>>>> Cc: uk-contest at contesting.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.
>>>>
>>>> Roger,
>>>> I am hoping to do 10m SBHP in the CW leg this year. Let us suppose that
>>>> the band folds at 20.00z. I can then do any log alterations I think that
>>>> need to be done in the four hours of the contest period remaining.
>>>> Am I reading this right? Seems daft but could a future strategy include
>>>> making sure you finish before the contest period ends to "cleanse" your log
>>>> - you might save more points than bashing on till midnight?
>>>>
>>>> Puzzled of Guernsey,
>>>>
>>>> GU4CHY
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 19:23, Roger Western <g3sxw at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Look, chaps, let's all stop mis-stating what has been published. See:
>>>>> http://www.cqww.com/rules_**2012changes.htm<http://www.cqww.com/rules_2012changes.htm>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is perfectly clear. But you do need to spend two minutes reading it!
>>>>> Yes, it makes perfect sense, Brian (and others today)!
>>>>> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>>>>
>>>>> NEW RULE:
>>>>> CQWW Rule III.13: Post-contest correcting of call signs by using any
>>>>> database, recordings or confirming QSOs is not allowed.
>>>>>
>>>>> EXPLANATION:
>>>>> When the contest period ends, do not use any sort of database, local
>>>>> or remote, to review and then modify the callsigns in your log prior to
>>>>> submission.
>>>>>
>>>>> Use of QRZ.com, DX Cluster, RBN files, other call sign databases,
>>>>> friends’ or club logs, etc., are considered to be other data sources and
>>>>> are not allowed for post-contest call correction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having friends or experts who were not “the entrant” review the log
>>>>> also “counts” as a database (not permitted).
>>>>>
>>>>> A recording of your own contest effort, whether digital or analog, is
>>>>> considered to be a database, even if you made the recording yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Q: “After the contest I noticed a typing mistake. What should I do?”
>>>>>
>>>>> You have to determine whether the call sign you logged is the call
>>>>> sign you sent during the QSO in question (see rule XII.2 below for more
>>>>> information). If you are certain that this is a logging error, AND that
>>>>> what you logged does not match what you actually sent, then make the
>>>>> correction. If the committee’s SDR file shows that what you submitted on
>>>>> your log does not match what you sent during the contest exchange, you are
>>>>> in violation of the rules.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your decision must be based purely on your inspection of the log. You
>>>>> may not use any database or other resources to review your log
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: brian coyne
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:33 PM
>>>>> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  p.s. what's SCP?
>>>>>> G3LVP
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>> SCP (SuperCheck Partial) is a database file which can be incorporated
>>>>> into your contest logging file.
>>>>> The database is compiled by scrutinising logs from previous contests
>>>>> to extract the callsigns of active contesting stations. On the CQ Contest
>>>>> Reflector we see requests from the compilers of this database after just
>>>>> about every major (and not so major) contest requesting logs to capture any
>>>>> new calls which may stray into the fold.
>>>>>
>>>>> This database can be called into a window to check callsigns the
>>>>> contester is not sure about during the event - hence my comment about
>>>>> guessing games.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the comment about using my full call - well, imagine if they
>>>>> cannot get just 3 characters/letters correct how much more trouble would I
>>>>> get using a combination of six!
>>>>>
>>>>> So, because it is not barred by the rules (in fact it is welcomed and
>>>>> used by many) it is ok to cheat legally whereas to make an alteration of a
>>>>> typo, marked at the time of making it, at a later time after the contest is
>>>>> now regarded as cheating! Make sense to you? - not to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will repeat what I wrote earlier . The correction is  what I
>>>>> actually sent, as per the rules, not something that I made up, guessed at
>>>>> or referred to another source to discover.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes reasonableness and common sense get left behind.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73  Brian 5B4AIZ / C4Z -
>>>>>
>>>>>
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