[UK-CONTEST] Where are the UBNs published

[Peter Burden]

I can understand the CC not wanting to publish the detailed UBN messages -
some of mine are rather embarassing! I do also find Ian's description of
the adjudication process as being "public" at variance with my perception
of the process.

I would also add my voice to those requesting publication of logs, after
all the events take place in public. A downloadable zipped archive (or
similar) would be perfectly acceptable. However a decision would have to be
made as to whether the published logs are raw claims or adjudicated and
UBN'd files and I'd imagine the CC could be wary of such public data being
a fertile breeding ground for time-consuming disputes. It would be nice to
have an official view of log publication.

73 Peter Burden G3UBX




On 18 September 2012 23:03, UKCONTEST <ukcontest at btconnect.com> wrote:

> Quote ".. Also, the adjudication process has been made public as you would
> have seen if you had attended my talk at the RSGB Convention last year. The
> UBN reports we issue after every contest details the errors made by any
> given competitor in that contest...."
>
> Erm quite where has it been made public?  Have I missed something, or am I
> as confused as others ? Do you assume that all those interested attended
> your presentation at the RSGB Convention?
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> Have you a recording of your presentation made at last years RSGB
> Convention? I would like to see / hear a copy, as I didn't attend,( and
> have no plans to attend ), but I am still very keen to understand the
> machinations of the RSGB CC.
>
> Oh, and just because CQ Magazine (or anyone else) don't publicly print or
> make available UBN files doesn't mean the RSGB CC shouldn't.  After all if
> Amateur Radio Contesting is turning into a Sport (which it seems to be, if
> we believe RadCom, the official (?) organ of the RSGB), then surely its
> adjudication should be as transparent as possible....because even the
> adjudicator is taking part, as you point out...and the RSGB is striving to
> be more transparent.
>
> Publish the files, and take the lead.
>
> 73
>
> Adrian MW1LCR
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> On 18/09/2012 22:14, Ian G0FCT wrote:
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>> Hi Stewart,
>> Ah, I see where you are confused!
>>
>> Personal UBN links are sent to every entrant (who makes one or more
>> errors), these UBN reports are not made public as they only concern
>> the entrant and are regarded as a private communication between the
>> Contest Committee and the entrant. If the entrant wants to make the
>> content of his/her UBN public then he/she can re-post it but I don't
>> think any has so far.
>>
>> Are UBN reports produced by CQWW etc made public?
>>
>> BTW, thanks for your comments.  I did not respond to all of them as I
>> didn't want to "colour" the consultation too much.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Ian G0FCT
>>
>> On 18 September 2012 21:57, Stewart Bryant <stewart at g3ysx.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> On the Contest Rules Litmus Test, Ian, G0FCT stated:
>>>
>>> "Stewart, Radio Sport is very different to other sports, all adjudication
>>> occurs AFTER the event is finished. This enables every one (yes,
>>> including
>>> the adjudicator) to participate. Also, the adjudication process has been
>>> made public as you would have seen if you had attended my talk at the
>>> RSGB
>>> Convention last year. The UBN reports we issue after every contest
>>> details
>>> the errors made by any given competitor in that contest. The penalty for
>>> an
>>> error is stated in the rules! So, I think most if not all of the issues
>>> you
>>> list above are covered."
>>>
>>> The implication from the above statement from a CC official towards the
>>> end
>>> of this formal consultation is that the UBNs are published for all to
>>> see as
>>> part of the conditions of fairness.
>>>
>>> I just went to
>>>
>>> http://www.rsgbcc.org/cgi-bin/**hfresults.pl?Contest=80m%20CC%**
>>> 20SSB&Band=3500&Date=120711&**year=2012<http://www.rsgbcc.org/cgi-bin/hfresults.pl?Contest=80m%20CC%20SSB&Band=3500&Date=120711&year=2012>
>>>
>>> ... and I do not see any UBNs listed.
>>>
>>> So what's up, am I looking in the wrong place?
>>>
>>> - Stewart/G3YSX
>>>
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