[VHFcontesting] VHF Contest Rules Revisions - Part III

[John Geiger]

I have often thought that it would be neat to have a
WRTC type event for VHF contesting.  Let the different
groups set up in the cornfields of Iowa, all with the
same equipment and antennas, and see how they do.  If
nothing else, it will allow the New England contesters
to experience how different midwest contesting is, and
how you don't get many QSOs if you don't get on
144.200

73s John NE0P


--- "Hoffman, Mark" <mhoffman at microwavedata.com>
wrote:
> Ken, 
> 
> WELL SAID. 
> 
> The problem with all contests (HF, VHF, etc) is
> simple: Location. There's
> always someone in a better location than you.
> 
> 1) HF contesters in New England have a 45 minute - 1
> hour advantage into
> Europe over WNY. At rates of 150/hr, that can be the
> difference between win
> and lose. To fix that, I either need to alter the
> laws of physics, or move
> to New England. 
> 
> 2) VHF contesters in New England have Boston,
> Hartford, Albany, NYC, Philly
> and MDC in troposcatter range. How many VHFers are
> located in this region
> alone? LOTS, as we know. Many with huge numbers of
> bands. From WNY, I've got
> Toronto, Rochester, Cleveland and maybe Detroit on a
> good day. Far less VHF+
> action in these places. In order to fix this, I
> either have to do something
> locally about it, or move. 
> 
> That's the summary as I see it. Is it really
> different from this?
> 
> If either W2SZ or K8GP (hypothetically) moved to
> Nebraska for a contest, do
> you really think they'd score as well? With all 
> else remaining equal, the
> answer is no. If I moved to the top of Mt. Greylock
> for a contest, do you
> think I'd stand a chance against someone like K1TEO?
> MAYBE. That all depends
> on my ability, equipment and persistence. At least
> it diminishes my location
> disadvantage somewhat. 
> 
> A winning score involves making the most QSOs, by
> the most multipliers.
> Maybe that's the starting point for examining our
> contesting goals. IS that
> the most important thing? 
> 
> -Mark, K2AXX
> 
> (and BTW, I overreacted a bit to the original post
> by Kevin. Sorry 'bout
> that. Too much caffeine...)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kenneth E. Harker
> [mailto:kharker at cs.utexas.edu]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 4:18 PM
> > To: VHF Contesting
> > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] VHF Contest Rules
> Revisions - Part III
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 08:05:15PM +0000, Bill
> Olson wrote:
> > > Hi Ken, Whew! Even if I agreed with you, which I
> don't, you 
> > don't answer my 
> > > final question. How do you enforce such a rule
> (rule to 
> > eliminate "captive" 
> > > rovers or so-called "manufactured" or good buddy
> QSO's)? 
> > Are you saying I 
> > > cannot *work who I want to* in the contest??  Or
> that I 
> > *can only go roving 
> > > on a route that will result in my best score*???
> That 
> > really IS silly!
> > 
> > I don't know that I have the right answer.  I
> think a lot of 
> > these issues
> > haven't really received as much attention as they
> deserve 
> > yet, which is 
> > why it's good that they have come up.
> > 
> > A good place to start is to get people discussing
> contesting 
> > ethics and
> > what kind of competitions we really want to have.
> >  
> > -- 
> >
>
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> > Kenneth E. Harker      "Vox Clamantis in Deserto" 
>     
> > kharker at cs.utexas.edu
> > University of Texas at Austin                  
> Amateur Radio 
> > Callsign: WM5R
> > Department of the Computer Sciences         
> Central Texas DX 
> > & Contest Club
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