[VHFcontesting] Grid Circling

[John Geiger]

Eating someone elses belongings is wrong, and would be considered stealing
in the eyes of the law.  I know that I can't win my division based on
antenna height, size, and number of bands I run, in addition to having other
committments that prevent me from running the entire length of the contest.
Does that make stations with bigger antennas "unethical" in my eyes?.  Does
that mean I should quit playing in contests also?

73s John NE0P

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Patterson" <mattpatt at 1starnet.com>
To: <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Grid Circling


> That's easy for you to say when you're not a rover in their division.
Take
> it from someone who is.  What they are doing is an unfair manipulation of
> the rules and the rules need to be changed.  I'm seriously considering not
> going out in September because I know I won't have a chance to even place
in
> my division because of the "legal" grid circling tatics employed by
certain
> rovers.
>
> This kinda reminds me of a problem we have here at work.  We have a
> community refrigerator here and unless you put your name on your food
there
> are a certain few here who will eat it.  They know it's not theirs, they
> know it's wrong but yet they still do it.  Same with grid circling, they
> know it's wrong and know it's not ethically right but since it's not
> breaking any rules they still go out and do it.
>
>
> Matt
> W5LL
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Geiger" <ne0p at lcisp.com>
> To: <k3uhf at earthlink.net>; "Zack Widup" <w9sz at prairienet.org>;
> <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Grid Circling
>
>
> > And what exactly is this concept of "wrongness" being based on?
> >
> > 1. Is it in violation of FCC rules-NO
> > 2. Is it in violation of contest rules-NO, if it were they        would
> > have
> > been disqualified
> > 3. Is it in violation of biblical law (either old or new testament), or
of
> > the Koran-NO
> > 4. Is anyone physically or psychologically harmed by it-NO (unless
having
> > to
> > see this beaten to death on the reflector causes psychological harm in
> > some)
> > 5. Does it violate any other US or international law or treaty-NO
> >
> > So what exactly are you basing this "wrongness" on?
> >
> > 73s John NE0P
> > Captive fixed station grid circler
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "frank bechdoldt" <k3uhf at earthlink.net>
> > To: "Zack Widup" <w9sz at prairienet.org>; <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Grid Circling
> >
> >
> >> well were up to about 60 percent who think its wring so thats 25 of us.
> >>
> >>
> >> > [Original Message]
> >> > From: Zack Widup <w9sz at prairienet.org>
> >> > To: <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> >> > Date: 8/25/2005 6:01:45 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Grid Circling
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Fisher, Mike wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I still think the captive rover is WRONG!!!! It may be allowed (in
> >> > > the
> >> > > rules) to ONLY work the stations in your group/club, but to me if
> > you're
> >> > > only giving points to the QUEEN BEE that that's not in the SPIRIT
of
> >> > > contesting.
> >> > >
> >> > > As long as it's a win at all costs, this will never get any better.
> >> > > Maybe one year I will  WIN an event but a "win just to win" takes
ALL
> >> > > the fun out of it.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike Fisher  N3VOP  FM19
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Once upon a time, microwave activity was nil.  I can understand that
in
> >> > the distant past if a club had microwave equipment but no one to work
> >> > up
> >> > there, it made sense to equip others with such gear and have them go
> >> > off
> >> > and work you.  At that time there was probably no one else to work.
> > I've
> >> > been considering doing that myself.  I have two functional
transverters
> >> > for 3456 and 5760 and I'm considering building another for 10 GHz. I
> >> > can
> >> > lend them to someone to go off somewhere and work me.  BUT - I know
of
> > at
> >> > least 4 other stations I can now count on to work on 2304 and a
couple
> > on
> >> > the higher bands.  I will certainly work them even if it means
missing
> >> > some time on 144 or 432, etc. And I hope the person I loan my
equipment
> >> to
> >> > will do the same (work other people).
> >> >
> >> > I can't see that as an excuse for "captive stations" on the lower
> > VHF/UHF
> >> > bands, though.  There's plenty of people to work there for most of
us,
> >> > anyway.
> >> >
> >> > That said, I can see the "grid circling" might be a novel idea to try
> >> once
> >> > just to see what you could accomplish.  But I certainly wouldn't want
> >> > to
> >> > do it in every contest. I'd think it would be a matter of "Been
there,
> >> > done that, let's try something else new." Especially since gas prices
> > are
> >> > likely to be $4/gallon when the January contest comes around.
> >> >
> >> > Me?  I still plan on Single-Op Portable on hilltops for most of my
> >> > operations.  I might get back to Bald Knob with N5RP for another
> >> > contest
> >> > sometime too, if I can manage the schedule. I think we'll be a more
> >> > formidable team next time.  :-)
> >> >
> >> > 73, Zack W9SZ
> >> >
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