[VHFcontesting] Grid Circling

[Matt Patterson]

That's easy for you to say when you're not a rover in their division.  Take 
it from someone who is.  What they are doing is an unfair manipulation of 
the rules and the rules need to be changed.  I'm seriously considering not 
going out in September because I know I won't have a chance to even place in 
my division because of the "legal" grid circling tatics employed by certain 
rovers.

This kinda reminds me of a problem we have here at work.  We have a 
community refrigerator here and unless you put your name on your food there 
are a certain few here who will eat it.  They know it's not theirs, they 
know it's wrong but yet they still do it.  Same with grid circling, they 
know it's wrong and know it's not ethically right but since it's not 
breaking any rules they still go out and do it.


Matt
W5LL




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Geiger" <ne0p at lcisp.com>
To: <k3uhf at earthlink.net>; "Zack Widup" <w9sz at prairienet.org>; 
<vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Grid Circling


> And what exactly is this concept of "wrongness" being based on?
>
> 1. Is it in violation of FCC rules-NO
> 2. Is it in violation of contest rules-NO, if it were they        would 
> have
> been disqualified
> 3. Is it in violation of biblical law (either old or new testament), or of
> the Koran-NO
> 4. Is anyone physically or psychologically harmed by it-NO (unless having 
> to
> see this beaten to death on the reflector causes psychological harm in 
> some)
> 5. Does it violate any other US or international law or treaty-NO
>
> So what exactly are you basing this "wrongness" on?
>
> 73s John NE0P
> Captive fixed station grid circler
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "frank bechdoldt" <k3uhf at earthlink.net>
> To: "Zack Widup" <w9sz at prairienet.org>; <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Grid Circling
>
>
>> well were up to about 60 percent who think its wring so thats 25 of us.
>>
>>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: Zack Widup <w9sz at prairienet.org>
>> > To: <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
>> > Date: 8/25/2005 6:01:45 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Grid Circling
>> >
>> > On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Fisher, Mike wrote:
>> >
>> > > I still think the captive rover is WRONG!!!! It may be allowed (in 
>> > > the
>> > > rules) to ONLY work the stations in your group/club, but to me if
> you're
>> > > only giving points to the QUEEN BEE that that's not in the SPIRIT of
>> > > contesting.
>> > >
>> > > As long as it's a win at all costs, this will never get any better.
>> > > Maybe one year I will  WIN an event but a "win just to win" takes ALL
>> > > the fun out of it.
>> > >
>> > > Mike Fisher  N3VOP  FM19
>> > >
>> >
>> > Once upon a time, microwave activity was nil.  I can understand that in
>> > the distant past if a club had microwave equipment but no one to work 
>> > up
>> > there, it made sense to equip others with such gear and have them go 
>> > off
>> > and work you.  At that time there was probably no one else to work.
> I've
>> > been considering doing that myself.  I have two functional transverters
>> > for 3456 and 5760 and I'm considering building another for 10 GHz. I 
>> > can
>> > lend them to someone to go off somewhere and work me.  BUT - I know of
> at
>> > least 4 other stations I can now count on to work on 2304 and a couple
> on
>> > the higher bands.  I will certainly work them even if it means missing
>> > some time on 144 or 432, etc. And I hope the person I loan my equipment
>> to
>> > will do the same (work other people).
>> >
>> > I can't see that as an excuse for "captive stations" on the lower
> VHF/UHF
>> > bands, though.  There's plenty of people to work there for most of us,
>> > anyway.
>> >
>> > That said, I can see the "grid circling" might be a novel idea to try
>> once
>> > just to see what you could accomplish.  But I certainly wouldn't want 
>> > to
>> > do it in every contest. I'd think it would be a matter of "Been there,
>> > done that, let's try something else new." Especially since gas prices
> are
>> > likely to be $4/gallon when the January contest comes around.
>> >
>> > Me?  I still plan on Single-Op Portable on hilltops for most of my
>> > operations.  I might get back to Bald Knob with N5RP for another 
>> > contest
>> > sometime too, if I can manage the schedule. I think we'll be a more
>> > formidable team next time.  :-)
>> >
>> > 73, Zack W9SZ
>> >
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