[VHFcontesting] CQ WW Rule

Sat Jul 14 22:45:19 EDT 2007

There is a guy here in the NW that lives in a valley, but has somehow gotten
permission to put antennas up on a hilltop.  This person access the "remote"
antennas via a 440 link which includes rotating controls, antenna switching,
and power amp control as well.  He sits in his house in the valley,
transmits on his 440 rig, and works the world.  I think that the rule would
apply to someone like that.

Bruce, KI7JA

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Today's Topics:

   1. CQ WW VHF Rule question (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
   2. Re: CQ WW VHF Rule question (Ev Tupis)
   3. Re: CQ WW VHF Rule question (Zack Widup)
   4. Correction re credits of beam designers (Bill Burgess)
   5. Re: CQ WW VHF Rule question (Bill Fisher)
   6. Re: CQ WW VHF Rule question (Zack Widup)
   7. Re: rover antennas (Dan_K9ZF)
   8. Re: rover antennas (JT Croteau)
   9. Re: Correction re credits of beam designers (crawfish)
  10. Re: Rover Tech: Mounting - Will this work? (Nate Duehr)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:46:21 -0400
From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dmcintyre at att.net>
Subject: [VHFcontesting] CQ WW VHF Rule question
To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
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I need some help understanding this part of the rules in 
Section IV.

"All antennas used by the entrant
must be physically connected by wires to the
transmitters and receivers used by the
entrant"

From:  http://www.cqww-vhf.com/cqwwvhf_2007.pdf

W4DEX

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:02:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] CQ WW VHF Rule question
To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
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--- Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dmcintyre at att.net> wrote:

> I need some help understanding this part of the
> rules in Section IV.
> 
> "All antennas used by the entrant
> must be physically connected by wires to the
> transmitters and receivers used by the
> entrant"
> 
> From:  http://www.cqww-vhf.com/cqwwvhf_2007.pdf

Hey Dex,
It would be very cool if you would ask W1XX directly,
then post the answer to the list so we will all know
together. :)
Ev

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:31:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Zack Widup <w9sz at prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] CQ WW VHF Rule question
To: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dmcintyre at att.net>
Cc: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707141226500.8858 at bluestem.prairienet.org>
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If you accidentally make a QSO without an antenna, it doesn't count?
:-)

Then it becomes a matter of semantics because whatever radiated your RF IS 
acting as an antenna of some sort.

Maybe you're not allowed to use waveguide - it would be awfully big stuff 
at 6 meters anyway.

The only other scenario I can think of would be two stations at the same 
site using different callsigns and separate logs who swap antennas for a 
while.

73, Zack W9SZ

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote:

> I need some help understanding this part of the rules in
> Section IV.
>
> "All antennas used by the entrant
> must be physically connected by wires to the
> transmitters and receivers used by the
> entrant"
>
> From:  http://www.cqww-vhf.com/cqwwvhf_2007.pdf
>
> W4DEX
>

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:56:04 -0400
From: "Bill Burgess" <ve3cru at rac.ca>
Subject: [VHFcontesting] Correction re credits of beam designers
To: <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c7c640$5c97b040$d386fea9 at Bill>
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Gene Zimmerman mentioned several well known beam designers.  However, one is
in error.  Ted Sparrow VE3BQN, who became a Silent Key a week ago, was a
ham-dentist, never designing beams.  The person deserving this credit is Bob
Morton VE3BFM whose stretched 4 elmt 6 meter beams I now have.  Last year's
CQ WW VHF Rover World was won by me, using a single 'BFM 4E6 beam 12 feet up
on my Rovermobile.  Points: 79,002.  No 2 meters taken.

For those in disbelief over what rovers can put on the roof, I run in all
vhf and up contests with this beam at the top of the mast at 12 feet, from
the time I leave home till I return home, and run full highway speeds too.

Fuel economy:  Don't ask, not included in any Rover Handbook!  : - )

Bridges, never a problem.  Trees, many problems.  PLAN YOUR ROUTE WISELY!   

Bill   VE3CRU/R

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:17:00 -0400
From: "Bill Fisher" <wvfisher at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] CQ WW VHF Rule question
To: "Zack Widup" <w9sz at prairienet.org>
Cc: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
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Hey Guys,
I'm thinking it trying to keep folks from using remote bases via the
internet.

My $ .02 worth

73 de w4grw
Bill

On 7/14/07, Zack Widup <w9sz at prairienet.org> wrote:
>
>
> If you accidentally make a QSO without an antenna, it doesn't count?
> :-)
>
> Then it becomes a matter of semantics because whatever radiated your RF IS
> acting as an antenna of some sort.
>
> Maybe you're not allowed to use waveguide - it would be awfully big stuff
> at 6 meters anyway.
>
> The only other scenario I can think of would be two stations at the same
> site using different callsigns and separate logs who swap antennas for a
> while.
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote:
>
> > I need some help understanding this part of the rules in
> > Section IV.
> >
> > "All antennas used by the entrant
> > must be physically connected by wires to the
> > transmitters and receivers used by the
> > entrant"
> >
> > From:  http://www.cqww-vhf.com/cqwwvhf_2007.pdf
> >
> > W4DEX
> >
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:47:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Zack Widup <w9sz at prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] CQ WW VHF Rule question
To: Bill Fisher <wvfisher at gmail.com>
Cc: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
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Yes, but the antenna is still connected to the transmitter by wires, even 
if the operator is elsewhere.

73, Zack W9SZ

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Bill Fisher wrote:

> Hey Guys,
> I'm thinking it trying to keep folks from using remote bases via the
> internet.
>
> My $ .02 worth
>
> 73 de w4grw
> Bill
>
> On 7/14/07, Zack Widup <w9sz at prairienet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> If you accidentally make a QSO without an antenna, it doesn't count?
>> :-)
>> 
>> Then it becomes a matter of semantics because whatever radiated your RF 
>> IS
>> acting as an antenna of some sort.
>> 
>> Maybe you're not allowed to use waveguide - it would be awfully big stuff
>> at 6 meters anyway.
>> 
>> The only other scenario I can think of would be two stations at the same
>> site using different callsigns and separate logs who swap antennas for a
>> while.
>> 
>> 73, Zack W9SZ
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote:
>> 
>> > I need some help understanding this part of the rules in
>> > Section IV.
>> >
>> > "All antennas used by the entrant
>> > must be physically connected by wires to the
>> > transmitters and receivers used by the
>> > entrant"
>> >
>> > From:  http://www.cqww-vhf.com/cqwwvhf_2007.pdf
>> >
>> > W4DEX
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:47:22 -0400
From: Dan_K9ZF <n9rla at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] rover antennas
To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
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I usually run 11.5 to 12 feet above ground level with no problems.

After awhile, you learn to watch for tree limbs.  It gets to be a habit 
even when you aren't in the rover:-)

You do have to watch for low wires in residential neighborhoods.  I've 
had to dodge some pretty low hanging cable TV and phone line "drops" before.

Have fun!

73
Dan
-- 
K9ZF /R no budget Rover ***QRP-l #1269 
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Ask me how to join the Indiana Ham Mailing list! 

>

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:02:01 -0400
From: "JT Croteau" <jt.n1ese at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] rover antennas
To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
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On 7/14/07, Dan_K9ZF <n9rla at yahoo.com> wrote:
> After awhile, you learn to watch for tree limbs.  It gets to be a habit
> even when you aren't in the rover:-)

It's already habit for me as my HF whip for 40M is around 12' already.

> You do have to watch for low wires in residential neighborhoods.
> I've had to dodge some pretty low hanging cable TV and phone
> line "drops" before.

That brings up an interesting question.  Can we be held liable if a
rover yanks down a low hanging cable or phone line or is it the
telco/cable companies fault for running it at a really low height to
begin with?   Do the state laws of 13' 6" cover us?  The same thing
would happen if a large delivery truck came through the neighborhood.

-- 
JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:11:42 -0500
From: "crawfish" <crawfish at surfmore.net>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Correction re credits of beam designers
To: "Bill Burgess" <ve3cru at rac.ca>, vhfcontesting at contesting.com
Message-ID: <005f01c7c685$7d91b6c0$8f52fea9 at default>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Gene may be thinking of Lionel, VE7BQH. He has some great designs!!

Joe W4AAB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Burgess" <ve3cru at rac.ca>
To: <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: [VHFcontesting] Correction re credits of beam designers

> Gene Zimmerman mentioned several well known beam designers.  However, one
is in error.  Ted Sparrow VE3BQN, who became a Silent Key a week ago, was a
ham-dentist, never designing beams.  The person deserving this credit is Bob
Morton VE3BFM whose stretched 4 elmt 6 meter beams I now have.  Last year's
CQ WW VHF Rover World was won by me, using a single 'BFM 4E6 beam 12 feet up
on my Rovermobile.  Points: 79,002.  No 2 meters taken.
>
> For those in disbelief over what rovers can put on the roof, I run in all
vhf and up contests with this beam at the top of the mast at 12 feet, from
the time I leave home till I return home, and run full highway speeds too.
>
> Fuel economy:  Don't ask, not included in any Rover Handbook!  : - )
>
> Bridges, never a problem.  Trees, many problems.  PLAN YOUR ROUTE WISELY!
>
> Bill   VE3CRU/R
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:04:38 -0600
From: Nate Duehr <nate at natetech.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Rover Tech: Mounting - Will this work?
To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
Message-ID: <BF2B16BE-5E44-4B60-931F-A77763D9D022 at natetech.com>
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On Jul 14, 2007, at 6:06 AM, JT Croteau wrote:

> On 7/14/07, Nate Duehr <nate at natetech.com> wrote:
>> I'm sitting here trying to figure out how 6" of mast sticking up
>> above the center of a yagi or loop is going to push anything out of
>> the way?  The antenna is going to stick out feet in front of the  
>> mast.
>
> Not when the loop is pointing backwards.

That's how my top 6m loop is, and it still sticks out a couple of  
inches in front of the mast, exposing the most vulnerable place on  
the antenna (the connection from the RF connector across to the other  
side of the loop).  In my experience, that is the first thing hit by  
anything low-hanging like small branches.  I've folded it down to  
pick out leaves two or three times now.

The mast does nothing to keep that area of the antenna from getting  
hit by anything.

I was actually interested in what the original poster meant by  
extending the mast above the antennas keeping them from being hit by  
branches.  In my rover setup, it doesn't work.   The top of my mast  
is 12' high total, and the 6m loop on top is about 2" down.

I've had zero problems other than in my very own neighborhood where  
the neighbors and city don't keep the trees trimmed up.  No big deal,  
just drive down the center of the street in the neighborhood, and all  
is well.  Lowest bridge I've seen was 12' 9" on a back-road.  (Yeah,  
I still flinched and slowed down.  GRIN...)

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
nate at natetech.com

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