[VHFcontesting] VHFcontesting Digest, Vol 57, Issue 16

Fri Sep 14 09:18:26 EDT 2007

Hi All 

   Steve (N5AC) i heard you twice but could not get your attention you were working guys in EL29 at that time.  I would sure like to thank KE5EXX/R and his son I was able to work them in 4 grids and some of those were tuff as they were only running loops.  And all so WB4SLM/R I don't know were he came from never heard him before but work him in in 2 grids. And one other K5VH/R I worked him in 2 grids in faaar south TX.  I did work a few others but that was on 6m during the Es opening which was great and a big surprise I got 34 grids nice opening!  Here in TX we just don't have that many rovers its a big state and to few ops or no ops in many of it grids in west TX were I worked only 4 grids out that way.  But I would like to thank all those rovers who go out and at a great expense to work us fix stations.  

   By the way I think the op that said that must be new to VHF contesting or new to contesting in any form.  See all of you in Jan man thats a long way off will try the sprints contest and see how that goes.  GL to all.  

  LEE
  N5TIF
  EN12hl

lee bradshaw <k4uva at comcast.net> wrote:
  That's pretty sad to hear John! I operate with W4IY mountaintop and we
work anyone who answers our CQ's!! Thanks to you and all the rovers who
are out there! It seems like in every passing contest, there are fewer
rovers to work anyway!

73
Lee K4UVA

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Today's Topics:

1. Contest rules and rovering (John D'Ausilio)
2. Re: Contest rules and rovering (James Ahlgren)
3. Re: Contest rules and rovering (Bill Olson)
4. Re: Contest rules and rovering (Mike Tessmer)
5. Re: Contest rules and rovering (Stephen Hicks, N5AC)
6. Icom 820h (Richard Cook)
7. Re: Contest rules and rovering (Dan Evans)
8. Re: Contest rules and rovering (John D'Ausilio)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:22:56 -0400
From: "John D'Ausilio" 
Subject: [VHFcontesting] Contest rules and rovering
To: VHFcontesting at contesting.com
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This past weekend while roving through New England we worked a multiop
station on 2M and asked to be passed to the microwaves (which would
have been an easy 5 minute run through 6 bands). The response we
received was disheartening .. "Let me check to see if we need your
grid".

I don't think I've seen any mention of the possibility of providing a
premium to fixed stations to contact rovers. There's really no
motivation with the current rules for a station to work rovers other
than if the rover is in a rare grid, and we can't always be in rare
grids! And it could snowball .. increasing motivation for fixed
stations to work rovers may increase the number of rovers which may
increase the number of rare grids activated, with benefits for all
concerned.

Just a passing thought .. de w1rt/john

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:58:49 -0400
From: "James Ahlgren" 
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Contest rules and rovering
To: "'John D'Ausilio'" ,

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John,

That is disheartening indeed. But you are wrong when you say there is
no
motivation to work rovers except when they are in a rare grid. Most
rovers
have good bandswitching dexterity and know how to use it, i.e., they are
a
big payoff in microwave points much faster than other ways to get 'em.
I
think I echo the sentiments of most fixed station operators (single and
multi) when I say that I welcome calls from ALL rovers, whatever their
grid.

Keep up the good work....

73,

Jim
W4RX

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D'Ausilio
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:23 PM
To: VHFcontesting at contesting.com
Subject: [VHFcontesting] Contest rules and rovering

This past weekend while roving through New England we worked a multiop
station on 2M and asked to be passed to the microwaves (which would
have been an easy 5 minute run through 6 bands). The response we
received was disheartening .. "Let me check to see if we need your
grid".

I don't think I've seen any mention of the possibility of providing a
premium to fixed stations to contact rovers. There's really no
motivation with the current rules for a station to work rovers other
than if the rover is in a rare grid, and we can't always be in rare
grids! And it could snowball .. increasing motivation for fixed
stations to work rovers may increase the number of rovers which may
increase the number of rare grids activated, with benefits for all
concerned.

Just a passing thought .. de w1rt/john
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:37:48 +0000
From: "Bill Olson" 
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Contest rules and rovering
To: jdausilio at gmail.com, VHFcontesting at contesting.com
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Hi John, Any operator that says they don't want to make 6 microwave
contacts 
because it's not a new grid DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS!!! 22 qso
points 
x whatever the grid total is at the end of the contest, say 400 for a
big 
Northeastern multiop, is 8800 points in a couple minutes! (8800 points
COULD 
be the difference between a first and second place score!) Sure the
score 
increase would be more if the qso's were all new grids, but the idea is
to 
be GOOD ENOUGH to work EVERY POSSIBLE QSO. That being said, things can
get 
pretty crazy at a big mountaintop multiop station and what one single 
operator might say at any given moment may not reflect the desires of
the 
rest of the group!!

It was nice working you on the microwave bands while you were in SEVERAL

nearby (not new) grids this past weekend! Thanks for the points!

bill, K1DY (for K1WHS a New England multiop station)

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:23:57 -0400
From: "Mike Tessmer" 
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Contest rules and rovering
To: "John D'Ausilio" 
Cc: VHFcontesting at contesting.com
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>received was disheartening .. "Let me check to see if we need your
>grid".

Seems pretty short sighted to pass up easy QSOs. Multipliers are sexy
but
QSOs win contests.

73, Mike K9NW

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:08:17 -0500
From: "Stephen Hicks, N5AC" 
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Contest rules and rovering
To: "'Mike Tessmer'" , "'John
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The same situation also exists for rovers. For example, I might rove
near a
fixed station and work him on all bands while I'm close and get that
grid on
those bands. Later, if I am 300 miles away, all I can get for working
him
is QSO points. So for a difficult QSO that might take several minutes,
I
have to decide if I would be better off to proceed to the next grid and
keep
on moving on rather than spend that kind of time. I have often called a
distant multiop station on 2m, asked to work the microwave station and
received a "he's busy, but I'll tell him you'd like to work him." If I
can't get a quick idea for a timeframe when I can work him, I know that
it's
just points for me (although multipliers for him). So I move on... I
often
hear about this later from fixed stations that aren't tracking me (why
didn't we work you on xxx band in yyy grid?), but the ones who track me
know
where I am and generally work me on the bands I have in most grids.

Steve, N5AC

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Contest rules and rovering

>received was disheartening .. "Let me check to see if we need your 
>grid".

Seems pretty short sighted to pass up easy QSOs. Multipliers are sexy
but
QSOs win contests.

73, Mike K9NW

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Richard Cook 
Subject: [VHFcontesting] Icom 820h
To: FLWSS , SWOT ,
VHF Contest 
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I am in need of some parts for a "project" IC-820H. USPS dropped it.
I need the top cover and the clear plastic that covers the LCD face of
the radio.
Or a dead radio to scavenge, 820 or 821 will work.

ICOM no longer has the parts and ANY suggestions would be GLADLY taken.

73's 
Richard Cook 
W2RAC
http://www.qsl.net/w2rac/

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:48:23 -0400
From: Dan Evans 
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Contest rules and rovering
To: John D'Ausilio 
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Hi John,

It's sad, but it happens. It happened to me in both of the grids I made

it to this past contest, with the same station. He was an easy contact

on 2m, but when I asked for other bands he told me he would be on 6 in a

couple of hours. I wanted to say, "dude, I'm a Rover. I'll be gone in 
a couple of hours!" But I didn't. If he wants to loose the easy 
point, it's his choice. A couple hours later I found him on 2m again 
from my next grid, and got the same dismissal. To make it even worse, I

later heard him work another Rover in a distant grid and HE asked that 
Rover to run the bands.... Apparently that Rover was in a new grid for
him.

It's annoying. It hurt his score by passing up easy points. But it's 
his station, his choice. 

For a multi to do it sounds like a rookie operator. I don't think any 
experienced contester would pass up easy points, particularly on
microwaves.

For example, the guys at K8GP tried me on 432 several times, even though

I'm sure they worked the grid dozens of times.

I just wish folks would consider even though they may not need my grid, 
I may need theirs! You may not need/want the points, but I do!! Throw

the Rover a bone:-)

73
Dan
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John D'Ausilio wrote:
> This past weekend while roving through New England we worked a multiop
> station on 2M and asked to be passed to the microwaves (which would
> have been an easy 5 minute run through 6 bands). The response we
> received was disheartening .. "Let me check to see if we need your
> grid".
>
> I don't think I've seen any mention of the possibility of providing a
> premium to fixed stations to contact rovers. There's really no
> motivation with the current rules for a station to work rovers other
> than if the rover is in a rare grid, and we can't always be in rare
> grids! And it could snowball .. increasing motivation for fixed
> stations to work rovers may increase the number of rovers which may
> increase the number of rare grids activated, with benefits for all
> concerned.
>
> Just a passing thought .. de w1rt/john
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:18:41 -0400
From: "John D'Ausilio" 
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Contest rules and rovering
To: "Stephen Hicks, N5AC" 
Cc: VHFcontesting at contesting.com, Mike Tessmer

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I agree with all of this, and we make the same kinds of decisions. If
I'm trying to work a guy up the bands and we lose each other or a pass
gets missed I'll move on the the next one and try and fill later. If
Xtof has a pass for me and I'm stacked up we'll give the op a time and
do our best to be there. But rovers work off a schedule, and we try
hard to stay on it the best we can.

But I've done the mountaintop multiop thing, and sat in the microwave
seat, and when a rover showed up and microwaves were busy we'd sked
him. I can't think of a situation where we would have told a rover
that we couldn't work him because we didn't need his grid! Maybe I'm
making too much of a fuss about some ops faux pas (did I say that with
my outside voice?) ..

On 9/13/07, Stephen Hicks, N5AC wrote:
> The same situation also exists for rovers. For example, I might rove
near a
> fixed station and work him on all bands while I'm close and get that
grid on
> those bands. Later, if I am 300 miles away, all I can get for working
him
> is QSO points. So for a difficult QSO that might take several
minutes, I
> have to decide if I would be better off to proceed to the next grid
and keep
> on moving on rather than spend that kind of time. I have often called
a
> distant multiop station on 2m, asked to work the microwave station and
> received a "he's busy, but I'll tell him you'd like to work him." If
I
> can't get a quick idea for a timeframe when I can work him, I know
that it's
> just points for me (although multipliers for him). So I move on... I
often
> hear about this later from fixed stations that aren't tracking me (why
> didn't we work you on xxx band in yyy grid?), but the ones who track
me know
> where I am and generally work me on the bands I have in most grids.
>
> Steve, N5AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vhfcontesting-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:vhfcontesting-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Tessmer
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 18:24
> To: John D'Ausilio
> Cc: VHFcontesting at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Contest rules and rovering
>
> >received was disheartening .. "Let me check to see if we need your
> >grid".
>
>
> Seems pretty short sighted to pass up easy QSOs. Multipliers are sexy
but
> QSOs win contests.
>
>
> 73, Mike K9NW
>
>
>
>
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