[VHFcontesting] Contesting ethics for rovers

[Paul Kiesel]

--- Bill Olson <callbill at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Hi Steve, I think the rover rules are pretty clear
> that a rover vehicle can only transport one station
> and use one call sign (except family stations can
> use more than one call). So you can't have two rover
> STATIONS in the same car. However I am quite sure
> your girlfriend can operate HER OWN RIG during the
> contest, from anywhere she wants to. 
----

Maybe she can
> operate in the QRP portable category and submit
> separate logs for each grid she operated from. 

There is a rule that states that a person may submit
only one entry in a contest. I found out the hard way
several years ago when I tried to submit 2 entries in
a June VHF QSO Party, one from the US and one from
Canada. I received a note from the contest desk
requesting me to choose which log I wanted to enter.
the other would become a check log.

Paul, K7CW

----------
I
> know rover operators can submit fixed station logs
> from their home station in addition to their rover
> logs as long as they are using a completely
> different station. Likewise i believe operators at a
> multiop. What I am not sure of is whether operating
> from different grids with the same call
> automatically makes you a rover. Check with Sean at
> the league.
> 
> As far as the family rule goes, even if you and she
> WERE actually family, family stations operate under
> different calls but use the same station. So you
> can't work yourself that way. Anyway, it certainly
> wasn't the intent of the family rule to allow
> stations to work other family members in the car for
> increased score. 
> 
> I understand wanting to get more people interested
> in the contest aspect of our hobby. That you can do 
> just by sharing the operating with your friend as
> any 2 operator rover station would do. Of course
> that doesn't increase your score, but that wasn't
> REALLY the point, right?
> 
> bill, k1DY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: k4gun at comcast.net
> > To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:00:58 +0000
> > Subject: [VHFcontesting] Contesting ethics for
> rovers
> > 
> > I'm not sure if this is a question, a statement or
> just musings about contest ethics.  More than
> likely, I'll just ramble on about it but I would
> like some feedback from the VHF contesting group as
> I really respect the opinions I see from this list.
> > 
> > My girlfriend is working on getting her ticket. 
> I'm quite proud of her for doing this.  She also
> wants to join me in the rover for the June contest. 
> I thought that would be a great way for her to see
> what all the fun is about.  
> > 
> > Then, I started thinking about how this could
> benefit me and her.  My first thought was to give
> her a tri-band HT.  She could make her own contacts
> and keep her own log.  Hmmm... but what about
> letting her have use of the omni directional
> antennas while I'm parked and let her use my spare
> radio which is a 746 Pro.  My thought was that I
> could work contacts and then let her work them on
> her own radio and antennas.
> > 
> > Great idea, right?  Well, aside from the problem
> that she isn't technically "family" under the
> contest family rules as they apply to Rovers, there
> is another problem.  The problem is an ethical one. 
> Working like this, she probably wouldn't accumulate
> a very big score.  She would only be picking up my
> left-overs, with one exception.  She and I could
> work each other on at least 3 bands and probably 4
> and we could do this in each grid from which we
> worked.  
> > 
> > At first, I thought this would be a great way to
> increase my own score.  Under the "Limited Rover"
> rules, you are allowed to contact another rover up
> to 100 times during a contest and having a person
> with you in the same grid, that would be an easy
> limit to stay under but it would give a LOT of
> multipliers that I otherwise would not get.  
> > 
> > I read the rules and saw the "family rule"
> exception.  I thought about asking Sean about the
> "legality" of her using her own call and riding in
> my truck.    I'm guessing that if I pushed the
> matter, I could slide through.  While she is not
> exactly "family" in a legal sense, we all know how
> that definition has been evolving lately.
> > 
> > I also don't see a lot of difference between this
> and the grid circling that is so common.  The only
> difference is that they travel in separate vehicles.
> > 
> > Then, I had to ask myself why I was contemplating
> this.  Was it really to help her get started into
> radio or contesting?  Did it contribute to helping
> any other stations pick up more grids?  Nope.  It
> accomplished none of that.  It might mean a few
> extra contacts for a few stations, but mostly it
> would benefit me.  So while I can conjure up all
> kinds of justifications, I really have to back up
> and realize that just because I can, doesn't mean I
> should.  
> > 
> > Does any of this make any sense?  Am I thinking
> too much?  It wouldn't be the first time.  I want to
> stay both within the letter and the spirit of the
> rules.  Its that spirit part that brought on the
> introspection.
> > 
> > Steve
> > K4GUN
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