[VHFcontesting] A reasonable approach to the grid circlingproblem....

Gerry Hull gerry at w1ve.com
Fri Nov 21 10:49:37 EST 2008


And Ken, can you identify a single instance of your imaginative
rule-breakers where this has happened?

So, if someone is very creative, and comes up with a way to generate a big
score, within the rules and letter on the contest,
if they beat you in what you would consider an "unconventional" way, they
must be cheating (against the rules)?

Where, in any of the contest rules, does it say that the actions of any one
participant must benefit others?   From a moral perspective, this might be a
good idea. However, it's not in the rules.   Since this is radio
communication, I might expect communication with a lot of people.  But it
may not be the case.

Here's a made up, but practical example (using I but not me).

- I live in the middle of nowhere
- I know much about microwave technolgy, and know how to build low power
microwave gear.
- I have a few friends close to me who are into ham radio roving like me.
- Roving with low-power gear from 6m - 48GHz is my gig... my typical power
output is milliwatts on the microwaves, but
 I know I can hit a 15-50 mile path with my buddies.
- Studying the ARRL rules, I see that there is a way for me to generate a
HUGE score by grid circling with my buddies.  COOL!

Should I be punished or excluded or treated like a leper because I figured
out a way to Make Big Scores?

That just does not make sense.

73, Gerry W1VE


On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Kenneth E. Harker <kenharker at kenharker.com
> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 02:16:52PM +0000, k4gun at comcast.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > I don't think elimiating grid reactivation would do much.  For absolute
> maximum score, given an unlimited amount of time, that would help, but a
> huge score could still be racked up by coordinated movement that didn't
> reactivate grids.
>
> It would just change the strategy so that a pack of four rover vehicles
> would rack up the points of one vehicle and not care about the score of the
> other three.  Maybe those other three vehicles don't even turn in a log and
> thus don't have to follow the rules...
>
>
> I think the only real solution to identify these cases as situation where
> a single contest operation (the pack, or the multi-op with captive rovers
> is
> really one highly-coordinated contest operation) using multiple call signs
> to work itself, which is clearly against the rules.
>
> Imagine an HF contest where a multi-op claimed QSO credit for QSOs with its
> own operators.  Upon investigation, you found out that they actually used a
> separate radio on the other side of the room with a light bulb or a dummy
> load as an antenna to make those QSOs.  That station would be disqualified
> with good cause.  Circle rovers and captive rovers are the same situation.
> Those contest operations should be disqualified, and we don't need new
> complicated rules to do so.
>
> --
> Kenneth E. Harker WM5R
> kenharker at kenharker.com
> http://www.kenharker.com/
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