[VHFcontesting] Assisted Classes

[Chet S]

This might be worth talking about if looking at packet spots would actually
help on VHF. 

If you are in W9, of what value is seeing a W3 spot a W4? Are you going to
sit on the spotted frequency and wait for propagation to favor you to there?
This is contesting, not DXCCing.  

Stations only 30 miles apart are oft presented with totally different
propagation. Of more value to you is tuning around yourself to see if tropo
or E's or aurora are in for YOU and to where. 

"if you ain't transmitting and tuning your radio, you're losing..."

73
Chet, N8RA


-----Original Message-----
From: vhfcontesting-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:vhfcontesting-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Keith Morehouse
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 8:40 PM
To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Assisted Classes

You guys can talk about this forever.
Obviously. Les has no experience with HF contesting.
This exact subject has been hashed and rehashed ad nausium for YEARS, if not
DECADES.

The consensus is that the high-level cheaters CAN be caught IF people are
willing to take the time to look.
Low-level cheating will remain, as it has for years.  VHF contesters are
refreshingly 'behind the times' when it comes to cheating and rules bending.


'yall ain't got nothin on DX contest cheating :)

Jay W9RM




----- Original Message ----
From: R Johnson <k1vu at tmlp.com>
To: Les Rayburn <les at highnoonfilm.com>; vhfcontesting at contesting.com
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 9:45:52 PM
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Assisted Classes

Well put Les !!!
73
Bob, K1VU

At 15:58 2/12/2010, Les Rayburn wrote:
>It reminds me of Oppenheimer's analogy about the Atomic Age. The "genie is
out of the bottle". Web clusters, spotting networks, Twitter updates, etc.
are here and nothing will change that. 
>
>The ARRL can't police these sites, because they don't own them. 
>
>It seems to be that retaining the notion of an "unassisted class" is
wishful thinking. Many of us long for days gone by, filled with comic books,
and pinball machines, and rotary telephones. But those days are gone. You
can surround yourself with mementos of those days, or stubbornly refuse to
use that new touch tone phone, but it won't bring that world back. 
>
>In any contest, people can and will use whatever means are at their
disposal to win. Yes, most of us will follow the rule and take pride in the
fact that we didn't act dishonorably to win 5th place or crack the Top Ten.
But there are others who "win at any cost" will always be the order of the
day. 
>
>The ARRL has to be realistic about their ability to enforce the rules of
any contest, and try to make it as fair as possible for everyone involved.
It's clear that they cannot effectively enforce many of the rules that
involve the use of spotting networks. So why not just admit that Genie is
out of the bottle. Allow assistance in the form of spotting networks, and
move on. 
>
>This levels the playing field, and operators add another tool to their
shack. In the end, the best operators will still prevail, as they usually
do. Yes, it changes the game--and we'll mourn the passing of a simpler time,
when a operator could sit alone in a room, disconnected from the outside
world save for their radio. 
>
>But life and technology marches on. 
>
>73,
>
>Les Rayburn, N1LF
>EM63nf
>
>
>
>
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