[VHFcontesting] Assisted Classes

[Paul Decker]

Yes, people who want to cheat will find a way.  However, the original post went farther than cheating.   If a contestant doesn't use a spotting network, and hasn't enlisted other stations to spot them, but are spotted just out of the "goodness" of some stations heart, they haven't cheated by today's rules.   It's just another roll of the dice if some other non-participant decides to spot an unassisted station. 

Paul Decker (KG7HF) 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Morehouse " <w9rm at yahoo.com> 
To: vhfcontesting @contesting.com 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 8:40:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [ VHFcontesting ] Assisted Classes 

You guys can talk about this forever. 
Obviously. Les has no experience with HF contesting. 
This exact subject has been hashed and rehashed ad nausium for YEARS, if not DECADES. 

The consensus is that the high-level cheaters CAN be caught IF people are willing to take the time to look. 
Low-level cheating will remain, as it has for years.  VHF contesters are refreshingly 'behind the times' when it comes to cheating and rules bending.   

'yall ain't got nothin on DX contest cheating :) 

Jay W9RM 




----- Original Message ---- 
From: R Johnson <k1vu@ tmlp .com> 
To: Les Rayburn < les @ highnoonfilm .com>; vhfcontesting @contesting.com 
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 9:45:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [ VHFcontesting ] Assisted Classes 

Well put Les !!! 
73 
Bob, K1VU 

At 15:58 2/12/2010, Les Rayburn wrote: 
>It reminds me of Oppenheimer's analogy about the Atomic Age. The "genie is out of the bottle". Web clusters, spotting networks, Twitter updates, etc. are here and nothing will change that. 
> 
>The ARRL can't police these sites, because they don't own them. 
> 
>It seems to be that retaining the notion of an "unassisted class" is wishful thinking. Many of us long for days gone by, filled with comic books, and pinball machines, and rotary telephones. But those days are gone. You can surround yourself with mementos of those days, or stubbornly refuse to use that new touch tone phone, but it won't bring that world back. 
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>In any contest, people can and will use whatever means are at their disposal to win. Yes, most of us will follow the rule and take pride in the fact that we didn't act dishonorably to win 5th place or crack the Top Ten. But there are others who "win at any cost" will always be the order of the day. 
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>The ARRL has to be realistic about their ability to enforce the rules of any contest, and try to make it as fair as possible for everyone involved. It's clear that they cannot effectively enforce many of the rules that involve the use of spotting networks. So why not just admit that Genie is out of the bottle. Allow assistance in the form of spotting networks, and move on. 
> 
>This levels the playing field, and operators add another tool to their shack. In the end, the best operators will still prevail, as they usually do. Yes, it changes the game--and we'll mourn the passing of a simpler time, when a operator could sit alone in a room, disconnected from the outside world save for their radio. 
> 
>But life and technology marches on. 
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>73, 
> 
>Les Rayburn, N1LF 
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