[VHFcontesting] Let's make the contests do what they were supposed to do

Sat Jan 3 18:51:20 EST 2015

When they towed the car did they take the beer ??????????????   :-)))

ZN

> So lets see.. I get a group of Op's together.. 'Lets take a Drive to
> Montana for a Beer Run !
> Its $25 to $30 in VE for a dozen..but $10 to $12 in MT !   Operate
> during the trip South in the Contest, cover 3, 4, or 5 Grids,  there and
> back..have to
> 'Pull Over occasionally for ??
> Use my Lap Top to Spot/Log our Q's !  This could be Fun !
> So.. Unlimited /R and /Multi-Op.. (pull over for someone.. now /P)
> Hey ! I think we may have just Won 'Unlimited Rover-Portable-Multi-Op'
> Category !
> Wait.. where did we park..?  What do you mean they 'Towed it Away' ?
> Anyone keep a 'paper log'..?  No..?  Well, this is gonna be a 'Long Walk
> Home' ! ;-)
> Sorry..  had to say it.. (but I would try it though !)  73
> Jerry
> VE6CPP
> DN39or  (and 'could be many others too !)
>
> On 1/3/2015 11:29 AM, Bill Olson wrote:
>> i.e.: Get people on the air.,,,,
>>
>> I haven't heard a lot about this on this reflector or the other email
>> lists, BUT.....
>>
>> Isn't it really ridiculous to have  13 (or is it 14) entrance categories
>> for the VHF contests? With decreasing participation it's getting to be
>> that some of the categories only have only one (or NO) entries!!!
>>
>> Not to play the "old guy" card, but I will anyway (Hi Wayne!!) In the
>> 50's 60's when I started contesting there were only 2 categories, single
>> op, multiop. The participation was at an all time high then. now, what's
>> the deal?? everyone gets a trophy??? OR.. no one wants to get on the air
>> unless they are guaranteed to win??>
>>
>> All that being said, I will get on for the contests no matter what
>> because it's fun. I don't have any pretense of being able to WIN..  I
>> just like to be able to work the guys.. and operating when other
>> stations are on the air is FUN!
>>
>> back in the day we made an occasional phone call to get someone on the
>> air... We still made the actual contact "on the air".
>>
>> I totally embrace the rover category. I think if I had my way there
>> would be THREE entrant categories, SO, MO, Rover. but realize this
>> brings up new issues.. can we just start to get SANE about this? Does
>> anyone really think 13 or 14 entrance categories is good for VHF
>> contesting???
>>
>> bill, K1DY (ex w3HQT)
>>
>> From: rick1ds at hotmail.com
>> To: k2txb at dxcc.com; packrats at mailman.qth.net
>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:33:10 -0500
>> CC: hwardsil at gmail.com; w1msw at arrl.org
>> Subject: Re: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Everyone is a bit confused at this point as to what these new categories
>> of "unlimited" or "assisted" stations can or cannot do. Additionally, if
>> this applies to MAP65 for EME, does this also create new categories for
>> the EME contest? Patience--hopefully we'll all find out when Ward andor
>> Matt make this clearer on the VHF reflectors and answer some questions
>> we have.
>>
>> From: k2txb at dxcc.com
>> To: rick1ds at hotmail.com; packrats at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: RE: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance"
>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:54:11 -0500
>>
>> Hi Rick & all.  That paragraph is hard to understand in the context
>> shown, and even in context.  The context is that it applies to the
>> Single Operator Unlimited.  However when it says “not physically
>> locat4ed at the station is permitted”, that is very unclear at least to
>> me.  Does that mean one could use cw skimmer if it is not located at the
>> station, but could not use it if it was located at the station?  Very
>> poorly written rule, I think. Also the exception, “spotting information
>> obtained from any source
>> outside the station boundary via a closed or dedicated communication
>> link may not be used.”.  So does that rule out the internet if connected
>> via a wire line?  How about if you are receiving internet via
>> satellite…? I suspect that that exception is trying to say that one
>> cannot set up a private link to a remote receiver and use that for
>> spotting (or for other contest purposes I would presume), but why not
>> say that? Well, just my two cents…  I don’t like assisted classes for
>> contests anyway… 73, Russ K2TXB From: Packrats
>> [mailto:packrats-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick R
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:56 PM
>> To: packrats reflector
>> Subject: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance" In the absence of
>> alternative rulings from HQ about what constitutes the
>> boundary between SO and SOU, I would use the following from the HF Rules
>> (http://www.arrl.org/general-rules-for-arrl-contests-below-30-mhz):
>>
>> *2.2.1.*Use of spotting assistance or nets (operating arrangements
>> involving other individuals, DX-alerting nets, packet, multi-channel
>> decoders such as CW Skimmer, etc) not physically located at the station
>> is permitted. (Exception: spotting information obtained from any source
>> outside the station boundary via a closed or dedicated communication
>> link may not be used.)
>>
>> Before anybody gets cranked up about HF rules in VHF+ contests, remember
>> that the original recommendation was only to create SOU in all ARRL HF
>> contests and it was the P&SC which extended it to VHF+ without any
>> additional discussion.  So the original recommendation was based on
>> 2.2.1 as above.  That definition needs to be broadened and made less
>> dependent on specific technology but it will suffice for now.
>>
>> 73, Ward N0AX
>>
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