[VHFcontesting] Let's make the contests do what they were supposed to do

Sat Jan 3 18:54:08 EST 2015

Oh Ya ! 20yrs ago.. it was 'Put it in the Trunk Guys' ! Not Any More !  ;o(
Jerry
p.s. I am not 'Condoning Drinking and Driving' ! (You may hit a Bump and 
Spill Some)
On 1/3/2015 4:51 PM, Joel Harrison wrote:
> When they towed the car did they take the beer ??????????????   :-)))
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> ZN
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>> So lets see.. I get a group of Op's together.. 'Lets take a Drive to
>> Montana for a Beer Run !
>> Its $25 to $30 in VE for a dozen..but $10 to $12 in MT !   Operate
>> during the trip South in the Contest, cover 3, 4, or 5 Grids,  there and
>> back..have to
>> 'Pull Over occasionally for ??
>> Use my Lap Top to Spot/Log our Q's !  This could be Fun !
>> So.. Unlimited /R and /Multi-Op.. (pull over for someone.. now /P)
>> Hey ! I think we may have just Won 'Unlimited Rover-Portable-Multi-Op'
>> Category !
>> Wait.. where did we park..?  What do you mean they 'Towed it Away' ?
>> Anyone keep a 'paper log'..?  No..?  Well, this is gonna be a 'Long Walk
>> Home' ! ;-)
>> Sorry..  had to say it.. (but I would try it though !)  73
>> Jerry
>> VE6CPP
>> DN39or  (and 'could be many others too !)
>>
>> On 1/3/2015 11:29 AM, Bill Olson wrote:
>>> i.e.: Get people on the air.,,,,
>>>
>>> I haven't heard a lot about this on this reflector or the other email
>>> lists, BUT.....
>>>
>>> Isn't it really ridiculous to have  13 (or is it 14) entrance categories
>>> for the VHF contests? With decreasing participation it's getting to be
>>> that some of the categories only have only one (or NO) entries!!!
>>>
>>> Not to play the "old guy" card, but I will anyway (Hi Wayne!!) In the
>>> 50's 60's when I started contesting there were only 2 categories, single
>>> op, multiop. The participation was at an all time high then. now, what's
>>> the deal?? everyone gets a trophy??? OR.. no one wants to get on the air
>>> unless they are guaranteed to win??>
>>>
>>> All that being said, I will get on for the contests no matter what
>>> because it's fun. I don't have any pretense of being able to WIN..  I
>>> just like to be able to work the guys.. and operating when other
>>> stations are on the air is FUN!
>>>
>>> back in the day we made an occasional phone call to get someone on the
>>> air... We still made the actual contact "on the air".
>>>
>>> I totally embrace the rover category. I think if I had my way there
>>> would be THREE entrant categories, SO, MO, Rover. but realize this
>>> brings up new issues.. can we just start to get SANE about this? Does
>>> anyone really think 13 or 14 entrance categories is good for VHF
>>> contesting???
>>>
>>> bill, K1DY (ex w3HQT)
>>>
>>> From: rick1ds at hotmail.com
>>> To: k2txb at dxcc.com; packrats at mailman.qth.net
>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:33:10 -0500
>>> CC: hwardsil at gmail.com; w1msw at arrl.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Everyone is a bit confused at this point as to what these new categories
>>> of "unlimited" or "assisted" stations can or cannot do. Additionally, if
>>> this applies to MAP65 for EME, does this also create new categories for
>>> the EME contest? Patience--hopefully we'll all find out when Ward andor
>>> Matt make this clearer on the VHF reflectors and answer some questions
>>> we have.
>>>
>>> From: k2txb at dxcc.com
>>> To: rick1ds at hotmail.com; packrats at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: RE: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance"
>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:54:11 -0500
>>>
>>> Hi Rick & all.  That paragraph is hard to understand in the context
>>> shown, and even in context.  The context is that it applies to the
>>> Single Operator Unlimited.  However when it says “not physically
>>> locat4ed at the station is permitted”, that is very unclear at least to
>>> me.  Does that mean one could use cw skimmer if it is not located at the
>>> station, but could not use it if it was located at the station?  Very
>>> poorly written rule, I think. Also the exception, “spotting information
>>> obtained from any source
>>> outside the station boundary via a closed or dedicated communication
>>> link may not be used.”.  So does that rule out the internet if connected
>>> via a wire line?  How about if you are receiving internet via
>>> satellite…? I suspect that that exception is trying to say that one
>>> cannot set up a private link to a remote receiver and use that for
>>> spotting (or for other contest purposes I would presume), but why not
>>> say that? Well, just my two cents…  I don’t like assisted classes for
>>> contests anyway… 73, Russ K2TXB From: Packrats
>>> [mailto:packrats-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick R
>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:56 PM
>>> To: packrats reflector
>>> Subject: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance" In the absence of
>>> alternative rulings from HQ about what constitutes the
>>> boundary between SO and SOU, I would use the following from the HF Rules
>>> (http://www.arrl.org/general-rules-for-arrl-contests-below-30-mhz):
>>>
>>> *2.2.1.*Use of spotting assistance or nets (operating arrangements
>>> involving other individuals, DX-alerting nets, packet, multi-channel
>>> decoders such as CW Skimmer, etc) not physically located at the station
>>> is permitted. (Exception: spotting information obtained from any source
>>> outside the station boundary via a closed or dedicated communication
>>> link may not be used.)
>>>
>>> Before anybody gets cranked up about HF rules in VHF+ contests, remember
>>> that the original recommendation was only to create SOU in all ARRL HF
>>> contests and it was the P&SC which extended it to VHF+ without any
>>> additional discussion.  So the original recommendation was based on
>>> 2.2.1 as above.  That definition needs to be broadened and made less
>>> dependent on specific technology but it will suffice for now.
>>>
>>> 73, Ward N0AX
>>>
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