[VHFcontesting] modes question, what do we log C4FM or DSTAR as?

[Marshall-K5QE]

Hello everyone interested in this topic.....Recently, I posted that I 
log all "digital" contacts as PH in the VHF contests.  I got a few 
"flames" for that, but my point is that essentially, all the "digital" 
modes are tones injected into the microphone path.  To me that makes 
them PH rather than anything else.  I have never had a contact or a log 
rejected because of this.  The VHF contests are not mode specific, so 
what you put for the mode is basically unimportant.

The main objection was that this threw off LOTW from its appointed 
rounds.  Since I do not believe in LOTW, this is not of any consequence 
to me, as I will never use it.

Maybe in HF contests, this topic is meaningful, but I do not think that 
it matters for the VHF contests.  I could be wrong. I know that I 
certainly don't want to have to edit all my logs trying to figure out 
which contacts are truly SSB/FM and which are just audio tones.

73 Marshall K5QE


On 2/17/2017 9:39 AM, Huff David J wrote:
> OK, Apologies to Jim here, but restating his opinion below, this would mean logged as voice.  The argument I was getting from others was that C4FM and DSTAR modulation modes would double the count, one contact using FM simplex, and a second contact using DSTAR or C4FM simplex would be considered a different mode.
>
> I disagreed with this idea, because modulation mode is not the decoder, the human ear is.  I asked because I think clarifying the ARRL field day rules might be a good thing here.
> Thank You,
>
> Thanks,
> David
> W0IM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VHFcontesting [mailto:vhfcontesting-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bart Jahnke
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:08 PM
> To: Jim Worsham <w4kxy at bellsouth.net>
> Cc: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] modes question, what do we log C4FM or DSTAR as?
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Here is the answer we used last year for D-Star inquiries where audio goes into a microphone and exits via a speaker:
>
> *D-Star is like any other phone contacts.  But, D-Star contacts in Field Day MUST be Point to Point (aka  peer-to-peer) – NOT THROUGH INTERNET GATEWAYS  and NOT THROUGH REPEATERS (with exception of Satellite contacts).  All contacts must be via RF from station A to station B.*
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
>
>
> Bart Jahnke, W9JJ
>
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>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Jim Worsham <w4kxy at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Call or email the ARRL Contest branch and ask them.  They and only
>> they can give definitive answers to ARRL sponsored contest questions.
>> Share what they say with the rest of us.  Asking questions like this
>> on here only invites speculation and misinformation.  By the way, FCC
>> regulations have nothing to do with the contest rules.  If the ARRL
>> wants to categorize digital voice as digital for the purposes of their contests they can.
>>
>> 73
>> Jim, W4KXY
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Peter Laws <plaws0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Huff David J
>>>> <HuffDavidJ at johndeere.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> I just came from our local club planning meeting for ARRL Field Day.
>> We were discussing VHF/UHF modes like Fusion C4FM, DSTAR, and DMR.
>> When a ham speaks into the microphone and it comes out as C4FM, do we
>> log that in the logging program as digital or Voice?
>>> The FCC believes, in it's heart of hearts, that it's Phone
>>> regardless of the mode.  At least until Title 47 of the code of
>>> federal regulations is repealed.
>>>
>>> IIRC, ARRL Field Day rules don't get that specific, but I assume
>>> they follow part 97, so phone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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