[VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5BVUCC Nets Support of

[Paul Stoetzer]

Yes, I believe Satellite should be considered one of the 5 bands for this
award. I doubt Les would have crossposted this to the AMSAT-BB if that were
not his intent.

I also think Satellite DXCCs should count for DXCC Challenge points, but
that’s a separate argument.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 17:33 n4rnr--- via VHFcontesting <
vhfcontesting at contesting.com> wrote:

>  ARRL VUCC includes provisions for Satellites and provides for a separate
> award category VUCC - Satellite.  Therefore, I would have a hard time
> automatically excluding "Satellites" from consideration.  Perhaps it could
> be used as one of the "5 Bands"
>
>    4. General Rules
>    (a) Separate bands are considered as separate awards.   (b) No
> crossband contacts are permitted, except for Satellite.   (c) No contacts
> through active repeaters are permitted, except for Satellite Awards.
> I am the recipient of VUCC Satellite Award, Serial No. 357, and I am
> currently at 542 confirmed grids in LoTW.
> Satellites are a lot harder than FT8.  I personally know HF operators who
> have achieved or close to achieving 5BDXCC in the short time of FT8's
> existence.  Does their award count any less?
> Our objective should be to encourage more activity in the VHF and up
> bands.  Let's not diminish any one category just because you think it's too
> easy.
> And FYI - AMSAT does not offer VUCC-type awards, because that award is
> already available from the ARRL.
> 73 de Rober, KE4AL    On Monday, April 22, 2019, 2:16:01 PM CDT,
> Marshall-K5QE <k5qe at k5qe.com> wrote:
>
>  Hello all....I think that what Tim-XC meant was "no repeater type
> contacts" rather than characterizing things as terrestrial vs
> satellite.  EME contacts are not terrestrial, but they sure are not
> "repeater type" contacts either.  They are just like the western folks
> that bounce their signals off mountains to make QSOs that normally could
> not be made.
>
> I agree with Tim that satellite contacts should not be allowed. As I
> understand it, the satellite folks have a complete set of their own awards.
>
> 73 Marshall K5QE
>
>
> On 4/22/2019 1:56 PM, John Geiger via VHF wrote:
> > What about EME QSOs?  Those are not terrestrial.
> >
> > 73 John AF5CC
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 12:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Adding Satellite QSOs to a Terrestrial Award is something I Can NOT
> >> Endorse.
> >>
> >> They are separate from Terrestrial VUCC awards for a reason.
> >>
> >> Create a 5B VUCC award by all means all the reasons stated, just leave
> >> Assisted QSOS (Repeaters, Satellites, Etc) out of it.
> >>
> >> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
> >> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Les Rayburn <les at highnoonfilm.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just heard back from Mike Ritz, W7VO who is the Director of the
> >>> Northwestern Division. He’s fully supportive of the proposal to create
> >> the
> >>> new award.
> >>>
> >>> Reach out to your ARRL Director today, and let’s see if we can keep the
> >>> momentum going!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> >>> Maylene, AL
> >>> EM63nf
> >>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
> >>>
>
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