[VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5BVUCC Nets Support of

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 ARRL VUCC includes provisions for Satellites and provides for a separate award category VUCC - Satellite.  Therefore, I would have a hard time automatically excluding "Satellites" from consideration.  Perhaps it could be used as one of the "5 Bands"

   4. General Rules
   (a) Separate bands are considered as separate awards.   (b) No crossband contacts are permitted, except for Satellite.   (c) No contacts through active repeaters are permitted, except for Satellite Awards.
I am the recipient of VUCC Satellite Award, Serial No. 357, and I am currently at 542 confirmed grids in LoTW.
Satellites are a lot harder than FT8.  I personally know HF operators who have achieved or close to achieving 5BDXCC in the short time of FT8's existence.  Does their award count any less?
Our objective should be to encourage more activity in the VHF and up bands.  Let's not diminish any one category just because you think it's too easy.
And FYI - AMSAT does not offer VUCC-type awards, because that award is already available from the ARRL.
73 de Rober, KE4AL    On Monday, April 22, 2019, 2:16:01 PM CDT, Marshall-K5QE <k5qe at k5qe.com> wrote:  
 
 Hello all....I think that what Tim-XC meant was "no repeater type 
contacts" rather than characterizing things as terrestrial vs 
satellite.  EME contacts are not terrestrial, but they sure are not 
"repeater type" contacts either.  They are just like the western folks 
that bounce their signals off mountains to make QSOs that normally could 
not be made.

I agree with Tim that satellite contacts should not be allowed. As I 
understand it, the satellite folks have a complete set of their own awards.

73 Marshall K5QE


On 4/22/2019 1:56 PM, John Geiger via VHF wrote:
> What about EME QSOs?  Those are not terrestrial.
>
> 73 John AF5CC
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 12:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek <k7xcnv1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Adding Satellite QSOs to a Terrestrial Award is something I Can NOT
>> Endorse.
>>
>> They are separate from Terrestrial VUCC awards for a reason.
>>
>> Create a 5B VUCC award by all means all the reasons stated, just leave
>> Assisted QSOS (Repeaters, Satellites, Etc) out of it.
>>
>> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
>> Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM Les Rayburn <les at highnoonfilm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just heard back from Mike Ritz, W7VO who is the Director of the
>>> Northwestern Division. He’s fully supportive of the proposal to create
>> the
>>> new award.
>>>
>>> Reach out to your ARRL Director today, and let’s see if we can keep the
>>> momentum going!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>>> Maylene, AL
>>> EM63nf
>>> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>>>

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