[VHFcontesting] [VHF] FW: [Trouble Ticket #281] NA VHF Rover Stations Listed as EU in ADI File for ARRLVHF Contests

Sat Apr 25 16:20:41 EDT 2020

I must be easy to impress.  The fact that N1MM covers the FM category and separates my PH (SSB) contacts and FM contacts makes my life easy.  I have put in two requests, one was politely explained to me as cockpit error (me) and the other was corrected.  

In any given contest Rovers outnumber FM 10 to 1 if not more.  Hopefully your request will fall on more receptive ears and your ticket response was a "bad day" outlier fluke.  

73
John
KM4KMU 
On Saturday, April 25, 2020 Jay RM <w9rm at calmesapartners.com> wrote:
That's not too surprising with N1MM - they are pretty HF-centric.
I've asked for a few additions to the program that would be useful for VHF,
none were acted on.
Regardless, it's the logging program that I use.

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 1:29 PM Zack Widup <w9sz.zack at gmail.com> wrote:

> " Consider IDing with something else." ???
>
> Whoever wrote that is obviously not a VHF contester and probably doesn't
> care about VHF contesting. He hasn't read the rules for VHF contests.
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
> (occasionally /R)
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 1:47 PM vhfrover--- via VHF <vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Did you ever note that an N1MM+ ADI file, generated by using one of the
> > standard N1MM+ contests (i.e. ARRLVHFJAN, ARRLVHFJUN or ARRLVHFSEP),
> > reports that Rovers, using the standard “/R” suffix, are logged as being
> in
> > CONTINENT=EU and not in NA?  Surprised me so I filed a trouble ticket.
> >
> >
> >
> > The N1MM+ Team states that the R is PREFIX for Russia and I totally agree
> > but every Rover in the USA and Canada (maybe other countries too) use the
> > /R as a SUFFIX.  I believe that in virtually every country except Canada
> > (due to a special 1952 reciprocal agreement), a USA operator operating in
> > Russia would sign with the PREFIX  “R/” followed by HISCALL (Not with the
> > suffix /R).
> >
> >
> >
> > In any event, I have been told that this VHF issue will not be fixed (See
> > the thread below. I removed the N1MM+ troubleshooter’s call since that
> team
> > usually does a wonderful job.).  Anyone know if the CONTINENT attribute
> > from an ADI file is used by programs like DXLabs or Ham Radio Deluxe when
> > an ADI file is uploaded to those programs?
> >
> >
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Mike WB8BZK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: N1MM TroubleTicket <Support at hamdocs.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 7:42 AM
> > To: vhfrover at aol.com
> > Subject: [Trouble Ticket #281] NA VHF Rover Stations Listed as EU in ADI
> > File for ARRLVHF Contests
> >
> >
> >
> > xxxx wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > The Part 97 rules, section 119.c is clear about the use of self assigned
> > indicator.
> >
> > "One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each
> indicator
> > must be separated
> > from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that
> > denotes the slant mark. If an indicator
> > is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and
> > after, the call sign. No self-assigned
> > indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC
> Rules
> > or with any prefix assigned to
> > another country."
> >
> > /R is the prefix for Russia and explains your observation.
> >
> > Consider IDing with something else.
> >
> > John, xxxx
> >
> >
> https://n1mmwp.hamdocs.com/support/trouble-ticket/?support_page=open_ticket
> > <
> >
> https://n1mmwp.hamdocs.com/support/trouble-ticket/?support_page=open_ticket&ticket_id=281&auth_code=ODwgbpEUsq
> >
> > &ticket_id=281&auth_code=ODwgbpEUsq
> >
> >  _____
> >
> > Mike Metroka 2020-04-23 11:40:32(report)
> >
> > In VHF contests Rovers are logged with the "/R" suffix.  When using the
> > ARRLVHFJUN Contest setup, North American Rover stations (i.e. WB8BZK/R)
> are
> > listed as "CONTINENT: 2>EU" instead of in NA in the ADI file.  I am not
> > sure what LoTW does with this continent data but I don't want to corrupt
> my
> > LoTW data with the incorrect Continent information.  I suspect that this
> > may also a problem for other VHF contest ADI files where Rovers are
> logged
> > with the /R suffix.
> >
> > I used the ARRLVHFJUN contest setup for the Spring and Fall VHF Sprints
> > since it generates an appropriate Cabrillo and ADI file for the VHF
> > Sprints.  Other participants may use the ARRLVHFJAN or ARRLVHFSEP setup.
> >
> > It appears that N1MM+ interprets the "/R" as a European Russian station
> > and assigns it the EU continent in the generated ADI file.
> >
> > My work around has been to edit each ADI file for VHF contests by
> changing
> > the EU to NA before uploading to LoTW.
> >
> > Thank you & 73, Mike Metroka WB8BZK
> >
> >
> >
> > Example of ADI line for a VHF Rover:
> >
> > K9JD/R 20200423 000020 000020 70CM WB8BZK 432.10034 ARRL-VHF-JUN
> 432.10034
> > SSB 59 59 WB8BZK EN51 16 1 2 1 EU 1 1 True HAMSHACK 0
> >
> >
> >
> > Example of ADI line for a non-Rover:
> >
> > K9JD 20200423 000216 000216 70CM WB8BZK 432.11000 ARRL-VHF-JUN 432.11000
> > SSB 59 59 WB8BZK EN52 4 2 2 1 NA 1 1 True HAMSHACK 0
> >
> > If you have further queries on this ticket, please respond on-line by
> > clicking on the link above.
> >
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> >
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