[WWYC] Self-Spotting in WAE

[Hrvoje Horvat]

I was very surprised to see so many self spotters that used fake calls. I
knew that it's there but in this large number I had no idea (not talking
about WWYC only). DJ1YFK spent only a little time chasing fake spots..
imagine how would it end if he'd be doing it whole contest??? I think one of
these days we should try that, I'm ready to miss few contests to see the
cheaters... if we announce them in public maybe they will stop.. that's the
only way?

Hrle - 9A6XX
p.s. I selfspoted my team occasionally but using fake call is way too much
(in VHF for example it's normal to selfspot/sked nowdays but fake calls..
c'mon guys)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fabian Kurz" <lists at telegraphy.de>
To: <wwyc at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:45 AM
Subject: [WWYC] Self-Spotting in WAE


> Hello YCers, Hello proud lids,
>
> I found it most annoying to see spots like these
>
> Sep 14 DX de
> AI1G-@:     3789.0  CQ0T         WAE                            0423Z
> Sep 14 DX de
> K2EFV-@:   21271.0  CQ0T         WAE                            1555Z
> Sep 13 DX de OZ1HPS-@:  21295.3  4L6AM        WAE
> TEST                       0937Z
>
> in the WAE-Contest. Yes, it's both WWYCers spotted, I am a member of WWYC,
> too, so why should I dislike these spots? Well, as you can see from the
> "-@", these spots have been entered at the
> oh2aq.kolumbus.com-Internet-DX-cluster. Still nothing wrong with that, but
> looking at the originating IPs, these spots can easily be prooved to be
> self-spots:
>
> The first spot, by "AI1L" was submitted by 193.126.128.219 which is from
> Portugal.
>
> Whois-Lookup:
> [...]
> inetnum:      193.126.128.0 - 193.126.191.255
> netname:      KQPT-IOL-DIALUP
> descr:        KPNQwest Portugal / IOL ISP
> country:      PT
> [...]
>
> Second, by "K2EFV" was submitted by 194.65.14.75:
> [...]
> inetnum:      194.65.0.0 - 194.65.255.255
> netname:      PT-TELEPAC-960515
> descr:        Provider Local Registry
> descr:        Telepac - Comunicacoes Interactivas, SA
> country:      PT
> [...]
>
> Both calls are not issued (qrz.com lookup).
>
> Same with 4L6AM's spot by "OZ1HPS", originating from 62.168.189.31.
> [...]
> inetnum:      62.168.160.0 - 62.168.191.255
> netname:      GE-CN-20030212
> descr:        Caucasus Network Ltd.
> descr:        PROVIDER LOCAL REGISTRY
> country:      GE
> [...]
>
> One cannot prove that these spots were actually submitted by the operators
> of CQ0T and 4L6AM, but there's no reason not to belive so.
>
> Self-Spotting is not explicitly forbidden in the contest-rules, but using
> fake-callsigns like this is clearly a case of unsportsmanship conduct,
> therefore a reason for disqualification.
>
> I don't write this because I want CQ0T and 4L6AM to be disqualified! I
want
> them to realise that this is very poor operating-technique, highly unfair,
> and that might lead to the WWYC to appear in bad light. Good operators
> don't need self-spotting! We don't need it!
>
> Just learn a lesson from KE9R & co.
(http://www.ke9r.com/lids_start_young/)
> - They (well, I shan't exclude myself) -- have just the right attitude:
>
> Quote:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Did we win?
>          -- NO WAY
> Do we care?
>          -- NO WAY
> Did we rock things, have fun, and blow each other out of the chair?
>          -- HELL YES
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Contesting ought to be fun in the first place! If you are determined to
win
> a contest, go for it, but impress your opponents with good operating
> skills, not with advanced internet-cheating technology!
>
> I think we have built up a lot in WWYC in the last years. Not only do we
> have surpassed the number 300 members now, we also gained a certain
> reputation in the HAM-, especially contesting-community. Let's not
> jeopardise it by the stupidity of cheating for the gain of just a fistfull
> additional QSOs (if at all). It's not worth it!
>
> GO WWYC!
>
> (Factual) Discussion encouraged!
>
> 73, Fabian DJ1YFK (maybe being a lid, but not cheating!)
>
>
>
>
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