[WWYC] Self-Spotting in WAE
Mikael Larsmark
sm3wmv at bredband.net
Mon Sep 15 16:28:37 EDT 2003
Hello!
Great article Greg! Really plesant to read!
//Mike (SM3WMV // SM3W)
On 15 Sep 2003, at 9:09, ke9r at ke9r.com wrote:
>
> I appreciate your for posting things in a very factual way, both here
> and on cq-contest Fabian, very well done.
>
> I won't exactly speak to the idea of self spotting, or whether it's
> legal, or what it exactly implies, but I will speak to the idea of
> having fun in a contest.
>
> Most of us do not operate from world class stations. This means that
> we hone our skills, determined, year after year, while slowly building
> our stations; or we get frustrated, get burnt out, and quit; or perhaps,
> we pad our small stations a bit by cheating. I am confident that most
> of us lie in the former two. Actually, I'm positive almost -all- of us
> lie in the former two.
>
> This is just to say, that contesting must be internally driven. You must
> want to get better, you must actually like it. There have been times when
> I've thought to myself, "I really, honestly, don't want to go operate that
> contest." I used to do it anyway, pounding out a score, comparing it on
> 3830, getting frustrated. Now if I don't want to operate a contest I
> will not. I only operate when it's fresh, when it's new, when I really
> get excited doing it. This means that I always am happy to be on. When
> I'm QRM'd or my frequency is stolen I think it's amusing and I move on.
> When my rate is below 30hr I'll go up, have supper, collect myself.
> While this will not produce a world class operator tomorrow, it will
> produce operator that stay around for 30 or 40 years, turning out
> thousands of contacts year after year.
>
> An internally driven contester simply does not cheat. He has no reason
> to do so. He's having fun, he sees SO2R not as a way to squeeze out
> one more mult and crush competition, but to get one more mult, smile,
> and have a load of fun along the way.
>
> We had a ball of fun in NAQP and Sprint, not with huge scores. Our scores
> were nothing to write NCJ about, but we really shined and we made friends.
> Everyone that left that contest wanted to come back, not because they were
> only 50q's, 3 mults from #1, but becuase they were #104 and realized this
> is one hell of a fun hobby.
>
> As someone who had a fairly nice setup, got burnt out, went QRT for two
> years and is slowly coming back please take my advice and HAVE FUN. That
> is what this is about. Winning CQWW SOAB HP will not get you a pleasant
> wife and a nice house, or loads of money and fame. It will actually suck
> tons of your money, tons of your time, and reduce your chances of being
> exposed to that shinny happy to-be wife. So just smile, step back, relax,
> and realize that theres tons of us here doing the same exact thing with
> you. That is what WWYC is about.
>
> 73 Greg/KE9R
> ke9r.com
>
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Fabian Kurz wrote:
>
> > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:45:33 +0100
> > From: Fabian Kurz <lists at telegraphy.de>
> > To: wwyc at contesting.com
> > Subject: [WWYC] Self-Spotting in WAE
> >
> > Hello YCers, Hello proud lids,
> >
> > I found it most annoying to see spots like these
> >
> > Sep 14 DX de
> > AI1G-@: 3789.0 CQ0T WAE 0423Z
> > Sep 14 DX de
> > K2EFV-@: 21271.0 CQ0T WAE 1555Z
> > Sep 13 DX de OZ1HPS-@: 21295.3 4L6AM WAE
> > TEST 0937Z
> >
> > in the WAE-Contest. Yes, it's both WWYCers spotted, I am a member of WWYC,
> > too, so why should I dislike these spots? Well, as you can see from the
> > "-@", these spots have been entered at the
> > oh2aq.kolumbus.com-Internet-DX-cluster. Still nothing wrong with that, but
> > looking at the originating IPs, these spots can easily be prooved to be
> > self-spots:
> >
> > The first spot, by "AI1L" was submitted by 193.126.128.219 which is from
> > Portugal.
> >
> > Whois-Lookup:
> > [...]
> > inetnum: 193.126.128.0 - 193.126.191.255
> > netname: KQPT-IOL-DIALUP
> > descr: KPNQwest Portugal / IOL ISP
> > country: PT
> > [...]
> >
> > Second, by "K2EFV" was submitted by 194.65.14.75:
> > [...]
> > inetnum: 194.65.0.0 - 194.65.255.255
> > netname: PT-TELEPAC-960515
> > descr: Provider Local Registry
> > descr: Telepac - Comunicacoes Interactivas, SA
> > country: PT
> > [...]
> >
> > Both calls are not issued (qrz.com lookup).
> >
> > Same with 4L6AM's spot by "OZ1HPS", originating from 62.168.189.31.
> > [...]
> > inetnum: 62.168.160.0 - 62.168.191.255
> > netname: GE-CN-20030212
> > descr: Caucasus Network Ltd.
> > descr: PROVIDER LOCAL REGISTRY
> > country: GE
> > [...]
> >
> > One cannot prove that these spots were actually submitted by the operators
> > of CQ0T and 4L6AM, but there's no reason not to belive so.
> >
> > Self-Spotting is not explicitly forbidden in the contest-rules, but using
> > fake-callsigns like this is clearly a case of unsportsmanship conduct,
> > therefore a reason for disqualification.
> >
> > I don't write this because I want CQ0T and 4L6AM to be disqualified! I want
> > them to realise that this is very poor operating-technique, highly unfair,
> > and that might lead to the WWYC to appear in bad light. Good operators
> > don't need self-spotting! We don't need it!
> >
> > Just learn a lesson from KE9R & co. (http://www.ke9r.com/lids_start_young/)
> > - They (well, I shan't exclude myself) -- have just the right attitude:
> >
> > Quote:
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Did we win?
> > -- NO WAY
> > Do we care?
> > -- NO WAY
> > Did we rock things, have fun, and blow each other out of the chair?
> > -- HELL YES
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Contesting ought to be fun in the first place! If you are determined to win
> > a contest, go for it, but impress your opponents with good operating
> > skills, not with advanced internet-cheating technology!
> >
> > I think we have built up a lot in WWYC in the last years. Not only do we
> > have surpassed the number 300 members now, we also gained a certain
> > reputation in the HAM-, especially contesting-community. Let's not
> > jeopardise it by the stupidity of cheating for the gain of just a fistfull
> > additional QSOs (if at all). It's not worth it!
> >
> > GO WWYC!
> >
> > (Factual) Discussion encouraged!
> >
> > 73, Fabian DJ1YFK (maybe being a lid, but not cheating!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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