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Subject: [AMPS] 30L1 Grid circuit
From: w8jitom@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (w8jitom@postoffice.worldnet.att.net)
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:24:20 +0000
Hey Guys,

Look at the grid circuit of the Collins carefully, and look at a few 
things.

The theory presented (Orr also presents the same theory in his 
"Super Cathode Driven" circuit article) is that the high grid to 
ground impedance caused by the GK capacitance forms a 
divider between the cathode and grid (let's call that C1) and the 
grid and chassis (let's call that C2). The theory is offered that the 
normal grid to cathode capacitance forms C1.

The theory is the capacitive divider elevates the grid for RF, 
allowing the grid to follow the cathode. This is supposed to reduce 
the grid to cathode voltage and add negative feedback.

In order to form a linear divider, the impedance of C1 has to be much 
larger than the lowest expected value of grid to cathode impedance. 
If the impedance of C1 is many times less than the grid 
impedance, any changes in G/K impedance do not affect the voltage 
division.

The problem is the ~6 pF grid to cathode capacitance (I'm 
using Svetlana's published value) is about 7500 ohms on 80 meters, 
and decreases to just under 1000 ohms on ten meters. If the 
changing grid to cathode impedance of the tube even approaches this 
value, the divider falls apart. When the input signal is positive the 
grid draws no current, and the grid to cathode impedance is nearly 
infinite. The feedback system sees only the value of G/K capacitance.

When the cathode swings negative, the G/K impedance falls "through 
the floor". If the peak grid current is 100 mA (this is peak, not 
indicated current) and the G/K voltage is 50 volts, the G/K impedance 
is 500 ohms. Even on ten meters the grid would not have a linear 
voltage division with the 220 pF shunt capacitance (C2 in this text, 
about 200 ohms on 80) the 30L1 uses.

That means grid to cathode voltage and RF feedback is non-linear 
with drive and over the RF cycle. 

This system works fine in the 30S1, because the tube never draws grid 
current. If it does the grid to cathode impedance drops and drive is 
suddenly reduced. But in ANY PA that draws grid current, this system 
is seriously flawed in operation.

A second problem is the grid is the ONLY shield from the output to 
input in the triode. Allowing the grid to partially "float" with RF 
increases feedback through the tube. This de-stabilizes the tube and 
makes low frequency oscillations more likely. This is especially true 
when an inductance is in the path, forming a parallel resonant grid 
circuit. A TPTG, TPTK, or TGTK oscillator is just one resonance 
away! That's why Collins had to swamp out the grid choke.

SB-220's have this problem also.

In the 30S1, shielding loss by floating the grid was NOT a problem. 
The screen was grounded, and it prevented feedback. So when 
engineers took the great idea of the 30S1 and applied it to grounded 
grid sub-class 2 (ie AB2 not AB1) triodes, they misapplied a good 
circuit.

As for arc protection, putting arc protection in the grid is not very 
smart. The grid to chassis resistance allows the grid to pull up to 
anode voltage during an arc. The next thing in line is the cathode, 
and the exciter is connected right to the cathode through a few low 
voltage capacitors. An anode to grid fault (the normal discharge 
path) can be passed right along to the cathode system, and straight 
out to the $$$ exciter.

Arc protection belongs in the anode's dc supply line, not in the 
grid.

I'm not saying the "Super Cathode Driven" circuits always cause 
problems, but in PA's I've measured gain flatness and IMD on I've 
found that system to INCREASE IMD unless the PA was very carefully 
tuned and drive properly adjusted. Removing the "Super Cathode 
Driven" system and grounding the grids produced much better gain 
flatness and generally better IMD performance, while INCREASING 
stability and improving damage protection.

Draw it out on paper and plug in some values, and remember the GK 
impedance is time-varying with drive. You'll see the SKD system does 
almost exactly what we don't want it to do. If the 220 Heath 
continued, we were planning on pulling the grid chokes and small mica 
caps and grounding the grids.

If you have one working, fine. But unless it's in a class A or  AB1 
tetrode that feedback system probably isn't helping things. 

73, Tom W8JI 

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