My point exactly. In this antenna the radiation is suppressed in the vertical
plane to be put into the horizontal. This antenna is very directional in the
vertical plane though it is omni in the horizontal. Without depressing the
vertical pattern there would be no gain in the horizontal.
73
Gary K4FMX
Marty Durham wrote:
> I think it really boils down to 'what is the definition of directivity'?
> Witness Vertical antennsa used in the commerical world...they may have
> 10-15db of gain...as a so called OMNI directional antenna...but the gain
> comes out of depressing the antenna pattern so that the majority of the
> major lobe has a 'footprint' that makes the radiated energy 'usable'...and
> of course the 'gain' is ...as measured against some 'standard' radiating
> element...1/4 wave, dipole, etc..
>
> Marty
> W1MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Kirkwood [mailto:bjk@ihug.co.nz]
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:54 AM
> To: Gary Schafer; W8JI@contesting.com
> Cc: Steve Thompson; Amps reflector
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Antenna vs. amp (was: al-1200 question)
>
> True,
> but the converse is not true,
> You can have directivity independent of gain as witness loop and other
> directional receiving antennas.
> Or yagis with lossy elements...
> 73
> end
> Barry Kirkwood PhD ZL1DD
> Signal Hill Homestay
> 66 Cory Road
> Palm Beach
> Waiheke Island 1240
> NEW ZEALAND
> www.waiheke.co.nz/signal.htm
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Schafer <garyschafer@attbi.com>
> To: <W8JI@contesting.com>
> Cc: Steve Thompson <g8gsq@qsl.net>; Amps reflector <amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Antenna vs. amp (was: al-1200 question)
>
> >
> >
> > Tom Rauch wrote:
> >
> > > > If both antennas have the same gain they will have the same
> > > > directional properties.
> > >
> > > No, that is not true.
> > >
> > > The antennas can and often do have vastly different directional
> > > properties even with the same gain.
> > > 73, Tom W8JI
> > > W8JI@contesting.com
> >
> > I guess I should have qualified that a little better. I did say that one
> > may have a sharper vertical pattern and the other a sharper horizontal
> > pattern. What I meant by that over simplification was that for a given
> > amount of gain in one direction, gain has to be reduced in another
> > direction.
> >
> > By the "same directional properties" I meant that they will have the
> > same total beam width exposure to the sky. (not necessarily in the same
> > direction) This total beam width is the sum of both vertical and
> > horizontal beams.
> >
> > One antenna may be a vertical collinear type with 360 degree horizontal
> > pattern but it's vertical pattern will be very narrow. Another antenna
> > may be a bi directional vertically stacked dipole array. It will have 2
> > major horizontal lobes and a very narrow vertical pattern. A yagi of
> > course has a 1 major horizontal lobe in one direction and a suppressed
> > vertical pattern.
> >
> > If you add up all of the area of the sky that each antenna beam is
> > exposed to due to each ones horizontal and vertical beam widths, I think
> > you will find that given the same gain for each they will also have
> > equal total exposure area.
> >
> > In other words you can not have gain without without having a
> > directional antenna.
> >
> > 73
> > Gary K4FMX
> >
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