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[Amps] Fwd: Re: Bleeder Resistor Inquiry

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Subject: [Amps] Fwd: Re: Bleeder Resistor Inquiry
From: "Will Matney" <craxd1@ezwv.com>
Reply-to: craxd1@ezwv.com
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:08:39 -0400
List-post: <mailto:amps@contesting.com>
Mike,

I forgot to add that if paralelling them, you will need a resistor who's 
voltage rating is higher than the open circuit voltage.

Best,

Will


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On 4/24/05 at 11:57 AM Will Matney <craxd1@ezwv.com> wrote:

>Mike,
>
>The resistors model number shows a 225-watt core, 4595 volts. Joe showed
>that the watt rating was too small as the voltage and current you have
>will multiply to more than 225, or 314 watts. You'll notcie too that the
>voltage has been exceeded on this resistor as you should have 5600 Vdc
>open plate voltage at 56 mA, and maybe average 4950 Vdc under load. Both
>together would really heat that up if not blow it. What you might look at
>doing is use two 50K resistors of this size in series so as to divide the
>voltage and current up across two. You would effectively double the rating
>this way and have the same value in ohms for the discharge time of 4
>seconds.
>
>Saftey here is important as NEVER bet on those resistors to discharge
>those caps. I made a dischargeer here that has a big power resistor in it
>(actually 5, 100 watts in paralell). Plus, a switch will cause a relay to
>short out the bank. On the B+ side is a voltmeter with it's own ground to
>show if the bank is discharged. What I do is first place the probe on the
>B+ line and wait a couple of seconds. Then, I hit the pushbutton which
>shorts the rest to ground. Sometimes, you have to do this 2-3 times to get
>rid of any residual charge. You could just short them too but I swear I
>hate that big bang everytime on top of being hard on the components. The
>thing I made gets you buy with this and those caps are safely discharged
>before service.
>
>In you case, I'd get two 50k-225 watt resistors and series them, or two
>200K and paralell them.
>
>Best,
>
>Will
>
>
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>On 4/24/05 at 7:28 AM aborg wrote:
>
>>Joe,
>>
>>  The bleeder is a Ohmite L225J100K. 
>>Thanks too all who have replied, keep the info comming
>>I love the info.
>>73's
>>****************************************************
>>--- "Joe Subich, K4IK" <k4ik@subich.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mike, 
>>> 
>>> Your bleeder resistor is too small.  
>>> 
>>> 4000 volt transformer with fullwave bridge should 
>>> produce at least 5600 volts no load. 
>>> 
>>> 5600 volts across 100K -> 56 ma 
>>> 
>>> 56 ma * 56 ma * 100K = 313.6 watts 
>>> 313.6 watts >> 225 watts 
>>> 
>>> At a minimum, you need either: (1) a pair of those
>>> resistors 
>>> in series, (2) a 200 K 225 watt bleeder or (3) a
>>> 100K 500 watt 
>>> bleeder.  Even then, you will be not have a lot of
>>> safety 
>>> factor and probably need to provide cooling for the
>>> bleeder. 
>>> Safer yet would be a (series) string of four 50 K
>>> 225 watt 
>>> bleeders.  
>>> 
>>> Finally, is the resistor rated for > 5 KV?  Most are
>>> not.  
>>> 
>>> 73, 
>>> 
>>>    ... Joe, K4IK 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: amps-bounces@contesting.com 
>>> > [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>>> aborg
>>> > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:44 AM
>>> > To: Amps Amps
>>> > Subject: [Amps] Bleeder Resistor Inquiry
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > I am currenty building a HV Power Supply using a
>>> > 4800vac pole pig, 40uF 5kv oil filled cap , 10kv
>>> PIV
>>> > rectifier board, 20 amp variac and a 100k 225watt
>>> > bleeder.
>>> > 
>>> > The initial power up started well without the
>>> bleeder
>>> > connected to the circuit after 30 min burn-in no
>>> > problems. Discharged the circuit and added the
>>> 100k
>>> > bleeder and 5 mins the bleeder starts to smell and
>>> the
>>> > exterior paint starts to bubble. Shut it down and
>>> > examined the circuit, all seem accurate. 
>>> > 
>>> > Question : Is my bleeder to small ?
>>> > 
>>> > P.S. : The variac was set at 4KV at all times.
>>> > 
>>> > Mike-KK4MS
>>> > a_borg@yahoo.com
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> 
>>
>>Mike-KK4MS
>>a_borg@yahoo.com
>>
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