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Re: [Amps] HV PS transformer

To: Paul Decker <kg7hf@comcast.net>, amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] HV PS transformer
From: Raymond Mack <ray.mack@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:16:51 -0700 (PDT)
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Paul:

If this is the article I remember, I have serious issues with his transformer 
design.  Is this the one where he also sells a kit to replace the supply in 
SB220 and SB200?

Your evaluation is correct; you need significant voltage capability for the 
wire.  First you need to wrap the cores with tape to isolate the primary from 
the cores.  Second, you need to wrap the primary to get the isolation between 
primary and secondary.  Then you will need to probably wrap each layer of the 
secondary (if you have multiple layers) to isolate the windings.

There are very good reasons why there is so much insulation in a commercial 
transformer.  I was doing a switcher type power output stage at 100 kHz and 
about 500W at work.  I was doing a quick and dirty prototype using magnet wire 
on a toroid.  We very easily got above 1500V across the toroid.  The end result 
was current completely blowing through two layers of magnet wire insulation 
(one layer on each conductor) and arcing like crazy.

Ray




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From: Paul Decker <kg7hf@comcast.net>
To: amps@contesting.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:02:08 AM
Subject: HV PS transformer


GM gents,

Part of my (3cx800A7) amplifier project is to do something "new".   Well OK, 
it's old, but new to me.
 
I'm trying to reproduce the switch mode power supply outlined by Tim Hullick 
W9QQ (SK) in Feb 1991 QEX.   Things are fairly strait forward, but I'll throw a 
question to the list.
 
In the article Tim says:   "...The secondary winding consists of as many turns 
as required, looping through the pipes to provide the necessary secondary 
voltage.  For any high secondary voltage, Teflon (r) - insulated hookup wire 
should be used because of it's superior insulating properties at high voltages. 
  Any small gauge Teflon wire can be used as long as the required number of 
turns will not be too tight in the pipes.   I used standard no. 20."
 
Q.  So does that mean the secondary wire needs to have a minimum insulation 
voltage rating of the secondary voltage i.e. greater than 2200V?
 
I have found Teflon coated wire with that high of insulation ration, however I 
have doubts he could get 50 or so turns through a 3/8 id pipe.
 
Q.  Any ideas on what Tim might have been getting at and what suggestions for 
wire and sources?
 
BTW, parts placement is going along, what a chore to get everything to fit!
 
Thanks and 73,
Paul kg7hf
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