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Re: [Amps] 160m mosfet linear amplifier problem with ferrite cores

To: "'David Cutter'" <d.cutter@ntlworld.com>, "'sasas asasas'" <tzitzikas_ee@yahoo.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] 160m mosfet linear amplifier problem with ferrite cores
From: "alexeban" <alexeban@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:15:26 +0300
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Guys, the problem is more pernicious than that!

The problem is in the way the transformers are WOUND!

Efficient high power transformers are wound using transmission line
coupling, not flux link coupling; they use coaxial line windings, with a
very specific Zo. This technique ensures very tight coupling between primary
and secondary, thus relieving the core from carrying high magnetic flux. The
ferrite only serves to increase the reactance of the windings at the lower
frequency end. Actually ferrites with a Ur of about 125 are sufficient in
the HF range.

You can find a very good paper on this in Jerry Sevick's , W2FMI - sadly, an
SK by now- which should quench a lot of the nonsense prevalent on the
matter.

As a rule the optimal Ur for the different bands is approximately:

2-30 MHz    ?125

10-100MHz  ?25

100-250 MHz ?10

Size of the core is dependent more on the peak amplitude of the applied
signal than on the power; that is, if the transmission line winding
technique is employed.

Alex     4Z5KS

 

-----Original Message-----
From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of David Cutter
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:26 PM
To: sasas asasas; amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] 160m mosfet linear amplifier problem with ferrite cores

 

Sasas

 

I looked at the ARRL site for a similar power amplifier to compare notes. 

http://www.w6kan.com/ssamp.html

The devices are completely different and so is the supply voltage, but the 

push pull arrangement is comparable and in this the transformer we are 

talking about is made using type 43 material, though it uses a 2-hole balun 

type Fair-Rite part # 2643540001 beads. .  It makes interesting reading, but


I don't feel at liberty to quote verbatim.  It could be that another 

material, perhaps the newer 31 would perform even better, but I see no 

reason to replace the type 43 or the transistors until you have found the 

real problem.  Perhaps a binocular core might work better, or 2 of your type


side-by-side to provide more reactance at the lowest frequency.

 

 

Sasas said:

I am using 12 Siliconix's IRFP360 mosfets, but i have order and soon i will 

replace them with International Rectifier IRFP360 mosfets. Propably this is 

the reason, that the amplifier don't give many watts at outupt.

The other reason, is that the material of ferrite cores (43 material) is not


the proper for 1-2mhz frequences. What do you think?

 

 

David

G3UNA 

 

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