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Subject: Re: [Amps] Amps Digest, Vol 116, Issue 17
From: K3vw@aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:58:33 -0400 (EDT)
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Blower recommendations for an 8877 tube: I have been using a Dayton, IC-465 
 for my homebrew, pair of 8877's for over 35 years now. It is quiet but 
still  delivers the amount of air to properly cool it. Willy K3VW
 
 
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Today's Topics:

1. Blower  recommendations 8877 amp. (Charles Bibb)
2. Re: Blower  recommendations 8877 amp. (Peter Voelpel)
3. Re: Blower  recommendations 8877 amp. (Carl)
4. Re: Blower recommendations  8877 amp. (donroden@hiwaay.net)
5. Re: Blower recommendations  8877 amp. (Bruce Osterberg)
6. Re: Blower recommendations 8877  amp. (Jim Barber)
7. Re: Blower recommendations 8877 amp.  (Carl)
8. 8877 Blower (Jim W7RY)
9. Re: Blower  recommendations 8877 amp. (Radio  WC6W)


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Message:  1
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 14:52:44 -0500
From: Charles Bibb  <zedkay@telepak.net>
Subject: [Amps] Blower recommendations 8877  amp.
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I'm looking for specific blower  recommendations for a HB 8877 amp. 
(blower maker and model  #).

Everyone says use a Papst blower because they are quieter.  I  use a 
Papst fan in my HB 2x3-500 amp.

I have several blowers here.  The ones that obviously move enough air 
are WAY too loud! The quiet ones  I'm not sure about. They seem to 
move plenty of air, but don't produce the  amount of water level 
change recommended by Eimac.

I built a liquid  tube manometer gauge to measure the back 
pressure.  Only the loudest  can deliver the minimum 0.41 inch change 
in water level that Eimac  recommends for the 8877.  Surely, there are 
compromises that work  just fine.

What blower are you guys using in your single 8877  
amps?  Recommendations, anyone?

73,
Charles -  K5ZK



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Message: 2
Date:  Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:14:45 +0200
From: "Peter Voelpel"  <df3kv@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Blower recommendations 8877  amp.
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Hi Charles,

The  EBM-Papst model G2E085-AA01-01 will be sufficient for the 8877.
Of course,  any blower will cause more noise then a fan.
If the tube is not run at full  dissipation you can always reduce the blower
voltage and by that the noise  level.
I use the G2E085 with 3x3CX800A7.

73
Peter, DJ7WW  

-----Original Message-----
From: amps-bounces@contesting.com  [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Bibb
Sent:  Dienstag, 7. August 2012 21:53
To: amps@contesting.com
Subject: [Amps]  Blower recommendations 8877 amp.


I'm looking for specific blower  recommendations for a HB 8877 amp. 
(blower maker and model  #).

Everyone says use a Papst blower because they are quieter.  I  use a Papst
fan in my HB 2x3-500 amp.

I have several blowers here.  The ones that obviously move enough air are 
WAY
too loud! The quiet ones  I'm not sure about. They seem to move plenty of
air, but don't produce the  amount of water level change recommended by
Eimac.

I built a liquid  tube manometer gauge to measure the back pressure.  Only
the loudest  can deliver the minimum 0.41 inch change in water level that
Eimac  recommends for the 8877.  Surely, there are compromises that work  
just
fine.

What blower are you guys using in your single 8877  amps?  Recommendations,
anyone?

73,
Charles -  K5ZK

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Message:  3
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:43:22 -0400
From: "Carl"  <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Blower recommendations 8877  amp.
To: <amps@contesting.com>,    "Charles Bibb"  <zedkay@telepak.net>
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There are charts that relate blower speed and  impeller diameter to cfm. 
Since the Eimac listing is for CCS commercial  duty we hams get some slack 
at 
least for SSB/CW.

EBM-Papst appears  to have the tightest tolerances and lowest friction 
which 
do cut down on  the noise, especially when using a lower rpm  motor.

Carl
KM1H


----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "Charles Bibb" <zedkay@telepak.net>
To:  <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 3:52  PM
Subject: [Amps] Blower recommendations 8877 amp.


>
>  I'm looking for specific blower recommendations for a HB 8877 amp.
>  (blower maker and model #).
>
> Everyone says use a Papst blower  because they are quieter.  I use a
> Papst fan in my HB 2x3-500  amp.
>
> I have several blowers here. The ones that obviously move  enough air
> are WAY too loud! The quiet ones I'm not sure about. They  seem to
> move plenty of air, but don't produce the amount of water  level
> change recommended by Eimac.
>
> I built a liquid  tube manometer gauge to measure the back
> pressure.  Only the  loudest can deliver the minimum 0.41 inch change
> in water level that  Eimac recommends for the 8877.  Surely, there are
> compromises  that work just fine.
>
> What blower are you guys using in your  single 8877
> amps?  Recommendations, anyone?
>
>  73,
> Charles - K5ZK
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue,  07 Aug 2012 16:22:22 -0500
From: donroden@hiwaay.net
Subject: Re: [Amps]  Blower recommendations 8877 amp.
To: amps@contesting.com
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Several years ago, I worked on a FM transmitter that  used a very large  
diameter blower with a cast-aluminum housing with  a small inlet and  
outlet, and it was very quiet.  Maybe the  sound-dampening of the thick  
aluminum and the slower rotational  speed, but it could have been put  
in a  remote box and the air  fed to the amp with a flex hose and all  
you would hear would be the  air.


Don  W4DNR


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Message: 5
Date:  Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:08:23 -0500
From: Bruce Osterberg  <n9bx@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Blower recommendations 8877  amp.
To: amps@contesting.com
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Since you Asked Specifically for an  8877 Tube and a Part number for a 
Blower for that Tube, Here is My  Recommendation and What I use on My 
W6PO Amplifier, That I use Key Down on  EME with WSJT for a 60 Second 
Time Period:

FASCO NO 702111713 Type  U21B  RPM 3030
1/25 HP .49 Amps at 115 Volts  Part Number  25-7615

73 Bruce N9BX 73

On 8/7/2012 3:14 PM, Peter Voelpel  wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> The EBM-Papst model G2E085-AA01-01  will be sufficient for the 8877.
> Of course, any blower will cause more  noise then a fan.
> If the tube is not run at full dissipation you can  always reduce the 
blower
> voltage and by that the noise level.
>  I use the G2E085 with 3x3CX800A7.
>
> 73
> Peter,  DJ7WW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On
>  Behalf Of Charles Bibb
> Sent: Dienstag, 7. August 2012 21:53
>  To: amps@contesting.com
> Subject: [Amps] Blower recommendations 8877  amp.
>
>
> I'm looking for specific blower recommendations  for a HB 8877 amp.
> (blower maker and model #).
>
>  Everyone says use a Papst blower because they are quieter.  I use a  
Papst
> fan in my HB 2x3-500 amp.
>
> I have several blowers  here. The ones that obviously move enough air are 
WAY
> too loud! The  quiet ones I'm not sure about. They seem to move plenty of
> air, but  don't produce the amount of water level change recommended by
>  Eimac.
>
> I built a liquid tube manometer gauge to measure the  back pressure.  Only
> the loudest can deliver the minimum 0.41  inch change in water level that
> Eimac recommends for the 8877.   Surely, there are compromises that work 
just
> fine.
>
>  What blower are you guys using in your single 8877 amps?   
Recommendations,
> anyone?
>
> 73,
> Charles -  K5ZK
>
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Message:  6
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:00:04 -0700
From: Jim Barber  <audioguy@q.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Blower recommendations 8877  amp.
To: Bruce Osterberg <n9bx@mchsi.com>
Cc:  amps@contesting.com
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EBM-Papst  G2E108-AA05-44

Enough "oomph" to overcome normal chassis back  pressure
and also push air around a 4-inch, 90-degree acoustic
sweep and  out six feet of 4-inch hose. Cast aluminum
housing, roughly 77 CFM at 0.41  inches of water.
54 dB A-weighted, less when installed correctly and  both
intake and exhaust are properly treated.

Available from Newark,  OnlineComponents.com, Allied, etc.
(requires 4uF capacitor and finger  screen, not included)

73,
Jim N7CXI

On 8/7/2012 5:08 PM,  Bruce Osterberg wrote:
> Since you Asked Specifically for an 8877 Tube  and a Part number for a
> Blower for that Tube, Here is My  Recommendation and What I use on My
> W6PO Amplifier, That I use Key  Down on EME with WSJT for a 60 Second
> Time Period:
>
>  FASCO NO 702111713 Type U21B  RPM 3030
> 1/25 HP .49 Amps at 115  Volts  Part Number 25-7615
>
> 73 Bruce N9BX  73
>
> On 8/7/2012 3:14 PM, Peter Voelpel wrote:
>> Hi  Charles,
>>
>> The EBM-Papst model G2E085-AA01-01 will be  sufficient for the 8877.
>> Of course, any blower will cause more  noise then a fan.
>> If the tube is not run at full dissipation you  can always reduce the 
blower
>> voltage and by that the noise  level.
>> I use the G2E085 with 3x3CX800A7.
>>
>>  73
>> Peter, DJ7WW
>>
>> -----Original  Message-----
>> From: amps-bounces@contesting.com  [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] 
On
>> Behalf Of Charles  Bibb
>> Sent: Dienstag, 7. August 2012 21:53
>> To:  amps@contesting.com
>> Subject: [Amps] Blower recommendations 8877  amp.
>>
>>
>> I'm looking for specific blower  recommendations for a HB 8877 amp.
>> (blower maker and model  #).
>>
>> Everyone says use a Papst blower because they are  quieter.  I use a 
Papst
>> fan in my HB 2x3-500  amp.
>>
>> I have several blowers here. The ones that  obviously move enough air 
are WAY
>> too loud! The quiet ones I'm not  sure about. They seem to move plenty of
>> air, but don't produce the  amount of water level change recommended by
>>  Eimac.
>>
>> I built a liquid tube manometer gauge to  measure the back pressure.  
Only
>> the loudest can deliver the  minimum 0.41 inch change in water level that
>> Eimac recommends for  the 8877.  Surely, there are compromises that work 
just
>>  fine.
>>
>> What blower are you guys using in your single  8877 amps?  
Recommendations,
>> anyone?
>>
>>  73,
>> Charles - K5ZK
>>
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Message:  7
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:28:58 -0400
From: "Carl"  <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Blower recommendations 8877  amp.
To: <audioguy@q.com>,    "Bruce Osterberg"  <n9bx@mchsi.com>
Cc: amps@contesting.com
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reply-type=original

Thats serious overkill.

Use the one thats in  the AL-1500
F. 410-1200,

$64.95.

EBM  Blower,

G2S097-

DB61-08, 110

VAC, 37 CFM, 45

dBA  noise level.

Wire  leads.

51/2Wx51/2Hx11/2D

inches



Carl

KM1H





-----  Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Barber" <audioguy@q.com>
To:  "Bruce Osterberg" <n9bx@mchsi.com>
Cc:  <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:00  PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Blower recommendations 8877 amp.


>  EBM-Papst G2E108-AA05-44
>
> Enough "oomph" to overcome normal  chassis back pressure
> and also push air around a 4-inch, 90-degree  acoustic
> sweep and out six feet of 4-inch hose. Cast aluminum
>  housing, roughly 77 CFM at 0.41 inches of water.
> 54 dB A-weighted,  less when installed correctly and both
> intake and exhaust are properly  treated.
>
> Available from Newark, OnlineComponents.com, Allied,  etc.
> (requires 4uF capacitor and finger screen, not  included)
>
> 73,
> Jim N7CXI
>
> On 8/7/2012  5:08 PM, Bruce Osterberg wrote:
>> Since you Asked Specifically for  an 8877 Tube and a Part number for a
>> Blower for that Tube, Here is  My Recommendation and What I use on My
>> W6PO Amplifier, That I use  Key Down on EME with WSJT for a 60 Second
>> Time  Period:
>>
>> FASCO NO 702111713 Type U21B  RPM  3030
>> 1/25 HP .49 Amps at 115 Volts  Part Number  25-7615
>>
>> 73 Bruce N9BX 73
>>
>> On  8/7/2012 3:14 PM, Peter Voelpel wrote:
>>> Hi  Charles,
>>>
>>> The EBM-Papst model G2E085-AA01-01  will be sufficient for the 8877.
>>> Of course, any blower will  cause more noise then a fan.
>>> If the tube is not run at full  dissipation you can always reduce the 
>>> blower
>>>  voltage and by that the noise level.
>>> I use the G2E085 with  3x3CX800A7.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Peter,  DJ7WW
>>>
>>> -----Original  Message-----
>>> From: amps-bounces@contesting.com  [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] 
>>> On
>>>  Behalf Of Charles Bibb
>>> Sent: Dienstag, 7. August 2012  21:53
>>> To: amps@contesting.com
>>> Subject: [Amps]  Blower recommendations 8877  amp.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm looking for specific  blower recommendations for a HB 8877 amp.
>>> (blower maker and  model #).
>>>
>>> Everyone says use a Papst blower  because they are quieter.  I use a 
>>> Papst
>>>  fan in my HB 2x3-500 amp.
>>>
>>> I have several  blowers here. The ones that obviously move enough air 
are 
>>>  WAY
>>> too loud! The quiet ones I'm not sure about. They seem to  move plenty 
of
>>> air, but don't produce the amount of water  level change recommended by
>>>  Eimac.
>>>
>>> I built a liquid tube manometer gauge  to measure the back pressure. 
>>> Only
>>> the  loudest can deliver the minimum 0.41 inch change in water level  
that
>>> Eimac recommends for the 8877.  Surely, there are  compromises that 
work 
>>> just
>>>  fine.
>>>
>>> What blower are you guys using in your  single 8877 amps? 
>>> Recommendations,
>>>  anyone?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Charles -  K5ZK
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue,  7 Aug 2012 18:44:42 -0700
From: Jim W7RY  <jimw7ry@gmail.com>
Subject: [Amps] 8877 Blower
To: Amplifier  Reflector <amps@contesting.com>
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Actually Carl, the Ameritron AL-1500  part number (410-3737) crosses to
a *G2S085-AA19-15.


Ameritron  stocks the part number you posted but it has no mounting flange.
At least  according to this  page:
http://www.onlinecomponents.com/ebm-papst_g2s097-db61-08.html?p=12102652.

73
Jim  W7RY


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Message:  9
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:28:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Radio WC6W  <wc6w_amps@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Blower recommendations 8877  amp.
To: Charles Bibb <zedkay@telepak.net>,  amps@contesting.com
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Hi  Charles,

http://www.comairrotron.com/content/spinnaker-spd24b1-032183

Note that the reference to AC on the web data sheet is in error.  It is a  
DC blower.

73 & Good morning,
Marv WC6W  

http://qsl.net/wc6w/

--- On Tue, 8/7/12, Charles Bibb  <zedkay@telepak.net> wrote:

> From: Charles Bibb  <zedkay@telepak.net>
> Subject: [Amps] Blower recommendations 8877  amp.
> To: amps@contesting.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012,  12:52 PM
> 
> I'm looking for specific blower recommendations for  a HB
> 8877 amp. 
> (blower maker and model #).
> 
>  Everyone says use a Papst blower because they are
> quieter.? I use a  
> Papst fan in my HB 2x3-500 amp.
> 
> I have several  blowers here. The ones that obviously move
> enough air 
> are WAY  too loud! The quiet ones I'm not sure about. They
> seem to 
>  move plenty of air, but don't produce the amount of water
> level  
> change recommended by Eimac.
> 
> I built a liquid tube  manometer gauge to measure the back 
> pressure.? Only the loudest can  deliver the minimum
> 0.41 inch change 
> in water level that  Eimac recommends for the 8877.?
> Surely, there are 
> compromises  that work just fine.
> 
> What blower are you guys using in your  single 8877 
> amps?? Recommendations, anyone?
> 
>  73,
> Charles - K5ZK
> 
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