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Re: [Amps] Measuring IMD

To: <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Measuring IMD
From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:15:13 -0500
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Dont pull the ARRL, and used by some manufacturers, crap of cherry picking the audio frequencies to get the best results for reviews. Running a wide band noise spectrum that covers the radios filter specs is possible with digital gear and has become the current standard since it fully exercises the transmitter. I doubt the K3 would pass scrutiny with that method.
The Flex 5000 has a very nice analyzer.

Carl
KM1H



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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Brown" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Measuring IMD


On 11/1/2013 9:31 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
Aside from buying a very expensive spectrum analyzer, is there a way for the
average ham to do it in his shack?
Yes, with some effort and ingenuity.  First, you need two clean audio 
oscillators to modulate the transmitter, and a way to cleanly combine 
them. You could do that with a couple of vintage HP oscillators and a 
decent audio mixer as simple as a Mackie 1202. You feed that to the 
transmitter audio input, making sure that you don't overload it.  Vintage 
HP oscillators are common at hamfest flea markets for cheap. The K3 has a 
2-tone generator built in, you simply activate it from the menu.
Second, you need a spectrum analyzer. The Rigol unit (don't recall model 
number, but I have one), for about $1400 will get you there, and do a lot 
of other useful stuff. The DG8SAQ VNWA is a fine network analyzer, and can 
also do spectrum analysis, costs about $750 shipped to the US, and runs on 
a Windoze computer USB port. The dynamic range of this unit is limited in 
spectrum analyzer mode, I don't remember if it's good enough for this.
There are LOTS of audio FFT analyzers that run in Windoze, take the audio 
out of an RX and give you the audio spectrum. That will give you magnitude 
of the two tones, the magnitude of difference frequency, and it will give 
you the magnitude of the sum frequency if it is within the audio bandwidth 
of the RX. You can even do this with many sound editing programs like 
Audicity and WavePad, which are free or cheap. For best quality, they 
should use a decent USB sound card for I/O.  A Tascam USB card that sells 
for about $125 is plenty good enough.
The Elecraft P3 spectrum display can be tuned to almost any IF, including 
the output of a TX, and can be set for any scan width between 2 kHz and 
200 kHz, so it could also be a direct detector (small piece of wire for an 
antenna), or hooked up to the IF of a good RX.  It's very flexible, wide 
range of scales and sensitivity. The one thing it lacks is a cursor that 
reads the amplitude at a frequency -- you've got to interpolate from the 
vertical axis.
HP gear of various sorts also shows up on the auction sites.  I paid about 
$1800 for an 8590D tht has a frequency calibration issue, but other wise 
works fine. Before that, I owned a tube version with modular plug-ins and 
CRT display that was a real arm-stretcher, but worked fine and cost about 
half as much.
Also, ask around your local ham club -- you may be surprised by what test 
gear lurks that you can borrow. I'm happy to loan my stuff to locals.
So depending on what you have laying around and what you might use for 
other things, IMD measurements can be made for no more than a monthly 
mortgage payment!
73, Jim K9YC
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