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Re: [Amps] Measuring IMD

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Measuring IMD
From: Karl-Arne Markström <sm0aom@telia.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 15:31:14 +0100 (CET)
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The circuit in the ARRL Handbook was intended to establish the static load-line 
when tuning up,
but by adding an oscilloscope it could also be used for indicating dynamic 
linearity.
 
Similar circuits were used in many manually and servo-tuned amplifiers. 
 
73/
Karl-Arne
SM0AOM

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Datum: 2013-11-03 15:24
Till: "Karl-Arne Markström"<sm0aom@telia.com>, <g8on@fsmail.net>, 
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Ärende: Re: [Amps] Measuring IMD

A similar linearity-detecting scheme was used in a 3-1000Z design from 
the 1970 ARRL Handbook. "The SS-70 2-KW Amplifier", pp 204-208.

It used diode RF detectors in the cathode and plate circuits, a 
"balance" pot and a 50-0-50 uA front-panel meter.

I have no idea how well it worked, but this thread rang a bell and I had 
to go look it up. It would be interesting to try it. If the mechanical 
meter turned out to be inadequate, a connector for an external scope 
could be added.

73,
Jim N7CXI

On 11/3/2013 3:10 AM, Karl-Arne Markström wrote:
> It is sad to read about the death of Warren Bruene. One of the really great 
> in RF engineering have left us.
>
> Regarding the use of linearity monitoring with diode detectors at the input 
> and output, I recall this being a part of the
> servo-tuning system used in the AEG-Telefunken 20 kW transmitters  that I 
> worked with in the 80' and part of the 90's.
> (Picture at the bottom of this page: http://www.seefunknetz.de/sdj.htm)
>
> By first tuning for resonance in all circuits, then loading for the proper 
> load line in the PA and finally adjusting the drive level
> to a point just below where the transfer function started to be curved, a 
> good linearity (at least - 35 dB IM3 relative one tone) was assured.
>
> It also was part of the envelope-feedback linearisation system that made the 
> last few dB's improvement of IMD suppression possible.
>
> By using this form of linearity monitoring, the most offensive cases of 
> overdrive or misadjustment are possible to identify at a glance.
> More accurate measurements require a spectrum analyser or a selective level 
> meter capable of measuring adjacent channel suppression either with 
> multi-tone driving signals or noise.
>
> 73/
> Karl-Arne
> SM0AOM
> 73/
> Karl-Arne
>
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> Datum: 2013-11-03 11:28
> Till: <amps@contesting.com>
> Ärende: Re: [Amps] Measuring IMD
>
> A very simple method which is adequate for most amateur use is to couple 
> diode detectors to the input and output of the amplifier. The input detector 
> goes to the X input of an oscilloscope and the output to the Y input. Adjust 
> the coupling to get more or less equal voltages. The oscilloscope only needs 
> to work at audio so an old tube Heathkit scope will do! When the line on the 
> screen as you talk is straight, the linearity is adequate. With a 2 tone 
> test, you can see by the curvature of the line such things as too low a 
> standing plate current, poor grid circuit regulation and overdrive, and by 
> making voltage measurements on the graticule, you can calculate 3rd and 5th 
> order distortion. See the 1964 edition of 'Single Sideband Principles and 
> Circuits' by Pappenfus, Bruene (who died the other month) and Schoenike.
>
> With a solid state PA, a spectrum analyser is really needed because you have 
> to consider the much worse high order IMD products (7,9,11) which tend not to 
> be negligible. Even with LDMOS, which is as bad as bipolar on linearity.
>
> 73
>
> Peter G3RZP
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