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Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band

To: "CQ Contest" <cq-contest@contesting.com>,"N7MAL" <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
From: "Rick Dougherty" <nq4i@contesting.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:43:23 -0500
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
Hi Mal...I don't think for a minute that bullying or rudeness has taken
place here...its a matter of necessity and lack of space...lets look at this
in a more positive vein... from all appearances it is from INCREASED
activity that this has occurred...that's a nice thing I think...The band
needs to flex and bend with the needs of the users...it does not need to be
limiting...isn't it a nice thing that ssb activity has increased over the
years??

I for one will find another band if there is a contest on that I don't have
any personal interest in...or I might turn everything off and go watch TV
instead of doing some more radio...what we are talking about is really 3
weekends per year...cqww ssb, arrl ssb, and wpx ssb.....no other contest has
the activity that makes this a problem....I like the ON4's solution....and I
am just changing its interpretation a little...."Silence Thy Radio...Silence
Thy Mouth"

de Rick nq4i


----- Original Message -----
From: "N7MAL" <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>
To: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv@subich.com>; "'Ron Notarius W3WN'"
<wn3vaw@verizon.net>; "'CQ Contest Reflector'" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band


> I'm not trying to level any playing field because I don't play. For
several
> reasons I haven't operated in phone contests for years. I still operate in
> many CW contests. My point in starting the discussion was contesters have
> bullied their way into taking over the 'entire' 40 meter band from top to
> bottom. They have in the rudest possible way pushed everyone else off the
> band.  Someone else commented it's just a few bad apples. It's way more
than
> a few bad apples it's more like a bushel basket full. There were at least
5
> American Xpeditions operating below 7025, there were at least 4 U.S.
> stations listening below 7025. There were about 15 non-US stations
operating
> SSB in the data portion. Then there were the 100's of stations who blindly
> went wherever they were told to transmit, above 7250, regardless whether
> there was a QSO or net already on the frequency. American regulations
> require a ham to listen on a freq before transmitting, a rule which was
> completely disregarded on a minute by minute basis.
> By wording the rules to say something like this: 'contesting permitted
only
> between 7030-7090 and 7100-7250' would be easily enforceable and would not
> trample on anyone's rights or privileges.
> Contesters should be leading the way in operating skills and technology
> instead we are the bully on the block swinging the baseball bat at anyone
> who gets in our way.
> 73
>
>
> MAL
> N7MAL
> BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Joe Subich, W4TV
>   To: 'Ron Notarius W3WN' ; 'CQ Contest Reflector'
>   Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 5:58
>   Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
>
>
>
>   I'm saying that a contest sponsor cannot enforce anything more
>   restrictive than the regulations of the particular country in
>   which the station is operating.  To do so opens the very real
>   possibility of keystone copy, kangaroo courts, and unequal
>   enforcement.  Who is to decide which "bandplans" may be violated
>   and which may not?  Is SSB on 7010 any worse than SSB on 1833?
>   What level of proof should be required?
>
>   All these garbage complaints about legal operation is just more
>   of the same "level the playing field" nonsense.
>
>   73,
>
>      ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: Ron Notarius W3WN [mailto:wn3vaw@verizon.net]
>   > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:26 PM
>   > To: Joe Subich, W4TV
>   > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
>   >
>   >
>   > Oh.  So what you're saying is, since it's not prohibited by
>   > law, anything
>   > goes.
>   >
>   > And if a contest sponsor wants to "enforce" ethical behavior,
>   > it exposes
>   > them to ethical questions.
>   >
>   > Do I understand you correctly?
>   >
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:w4tv@subich.com]
>   > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 7:34 PM
>   > To: 'Ron Notarius W3WN'; 'CQ Contest Reflector'
>   > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Sorry, as long as the situation exists as it does ... no legal
>   > impediment to the rest of the world operating below 7040 on
>   > phone and a situation where the majority of the world does
>   > not operate transceive, I would do EXACTLY what the major
>   > big gun stations do, listen as low as I need in order to find
>   > a clear spot.  There is nothing to prevent it in any national
>   > regulations and there is no way contest sponsors can enforce
>   > any rule concerning a bandplan - just look at 160 meters and
>   > all the SSB stuff below 1843 - and any attempt to enforce a
>   > bandplan that does not have the force of regulation exposes
>   > the contest sponsor to serious ethical and legal questions.
>   >
>   > 73,
>   >
>   >    ... Joe, W4TV
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > > -----Original Message-----
>   > > From: Ron Notarius W3WN [mailto:wn3vaw@verizon.net]
>   > > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 5:50 PM
>   > > To: Joe Subich, W4TV
>   > > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > So we should just keep quiet and look the other way?
>   > >
>   > > Sorry, but if we don't do anything, it will only get worse.
>   > > Considering
>   > > that several of the top offenders (K3LR, KC1XX to name two)
>   > > are present or
>   > > represented on the reflector, if we ignore it, they will
>   > > continue.  At least
>   > > now they know that we're on to them.
>   > >
>   > > -----Original Message-----
>   > > From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:w4tv@subich.com]
>   > > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 3:35 PM
>   > > To: 'Ron Notarius W3WN'; 'CQ Contest Reflector'
>   > > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > W3WN writes:
>   > >
>   > > > Yes, the issue of SSB encroaching on the 40 meter CW band has
>   > > > been discussed before, some might even say ad infinitum
>   > ad nauseum.
>   > > > However, in the past, the discussion has centered around SSB below
>   > > > 7030 kHz or 7025 kHz.  I don't recall (although I could be wrong)
>   > > > a past discussion about SSB all the way down to 7007, 7005, even
>   > > > 7001 kHz -- effectively obliterating the CW part of
>   > > > the band.  Sorry gentlefolk, that's bad amateur practice.
>   > > >
>   > > > Yes, it's allowed in many administrations around the world.
>   > > > That doesn't make it right.  Just because you can do it doesn't
>   > > > mean that you should.
>   > >
>   > > Self-enforcement will never fly.  As long as one competitor has the
>   > > ability to push the envelope the others will do so in order to stay
>   > > competitive.  The only thing that will fix the "problem" is uniform
>   > > allocations globally.  Allowing most of the world to operate any
>   > > mode, anywhere, any time will never work - bandplans or contest
>   > > sponsors will not make any difference.
>   > >
>   > > 73,
>   > >
>   > >    ... Joe, W4TV
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>
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