> Accreditation only applies to certain DXpeditions. The contextual
> explanations in the Accreditation Section of the rules makes this very
> plain. There is no statement anywhere in that section that those rules
> apply to any operation that does not require accreditation.
Accreditation also applies to DX stations (permanent residents) in
certain countries where licensing is controlled. There is nothing
in Section III that implies that it is only applicable to
DXpeditions.
If I rule relating to public access to logs if useful for DXpeditions
(and it is), the rule is properly applicable to all logs. In any
case, this is a DXCC rule and neither CQ Magazine nor its various
contest administration committees have a right to force ANY entrant
to violate the rules of DXCC as a condition of entry.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w5ov@w5ov.com [mailto:w5ov@w5ov.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:03 PM
> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Public access to logs
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Accreditation only applies to certain DXpeditions. The contextual
> explanations in the Accreditation Section of the rules makes this very
> plain. There is no statement anywhere in that section that those rules
> apply to any operation that does not require accreditation.
>
> For example, when I operate from Antigua as V26O, I do not
> need to provide
> any accreditation information to the ARRL for my operation
> from there. As
> such, my operation from there is not subject to the rules surrounding
> accreditation.
>
> Should the ARRL have been more clear - yes. I anticipate that the ARRL
> will be making a statement on this in due time.
>
> 73,
>
> Bob W5OV
>
> >
> >> Applying accreditation criteria to non-DXpeditions is a bit
> >> of a stretch, and does not follow the interpretation
> >> information given by the DXCC manager when the rule was made.
> >
> > Not at all ... the title of the section is "Accreditation Criteria"
> > not "Accreditation of DXpeditions." Any rule relating to the
> > integrity of logs rightly applies to all participants. There are
> > plenty of opportunities to state explicitly that the rule applies
> > only to DXpeditions. That there is no exclusion of non-DXpedition
> > logs speaks volumes.
> >
> > The solution is quite simple, the CQ Committee can release logs
> > if they remove the Cabrillo header and the "logging station"
> > call from each log entry. Such an accommodation would not impact
> > the ability of interested parties to perform legitimate statistical
> > research, it would avoid any question with Rule III, 5, prevent any
> > competitor from obtaining a competitive advantage by studying a
> > specific log, and application of a blind identifier would still
> > permit outside analysts to indicate if a specific log required
> > further review by the committee.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Robert Naumann [mailto:w5ov@w5ov.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:36 AM
> >> To: 'Steve Harrison'; 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; wn3vaw@verizon.net;
> >> 'CQ Contest Reflector'
> >> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Public access to logs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The rule we're discussing is under SECTION III. ACCREDITATION
> >> CRITERIA.
> >>
> >> A couple of quotes from this section make what Wayne said
> more clear:
> >>
> >> Under point 1: "It is the purpose of this section to
> >> establish guidelines that will assure that DXCC credit is
> >> given only for contacts with operations that are conducted
> >> with proper licensing and have established a legitimate
> >> physical presence within the Entity to be credited."
> >>
> >> Point 2: "The following points should be of particular
> >> interest to those seeking accreditation for a DX operation: "
> >>
> >> Point 2e: "e) It is expected that all DXpeditions will
> >> observe any environmental rules promulgated by the
> >> administration under whose authority the operation takes
> >> place. In the event that no such rules are actually
> >> promulgated, the DXpedition should leave the DXpedition site
> >> as they found it."
> >>
> >> Point 3: " For those cases where supporting documentation is
> >> required, the following can be used as a guide to identify
> >> those documents necessary for accreditation. "
> >>
> >> Point 4: "These accreditation requirements are intended to
> >> preserve the integrity of the DXCC program and to ensure that
> >> the program does not encourage amateurs to "bend the rules"
> >> in their enthusiasm, possibly jeopardizing the future
> >> development of Amateur Radio. Every effort will be made to
> >> apply these criteria uniformly and to make a determination
> >> consistent with these objectives. "
> >>
> >> And finally, the point at issue - 5:
> >> "The presentation in any public forum of logs or other
> >> representations of station operation showing details of
> >> station activity or other information from which all
> >> essential QSO elements (time, date, band, mode and callsign)
> >> for individual contacts can be derived creates a question as
> >> to the integrity of the claimed QSOs with that station during
> >> the period encompassed by the log. Presentation of such
> >> information in any public forum by the station operator,
> >> operators or associated parties is not allowed and may be
> >> considered sufficient reason to deny ARRL award credit for
> >> contacts with any station for which such presentations have
> >> been made. Persistent violation of this provision may result
> >> in disqualification from the DXCC program."
> >>
> >> Since the theme of this section of the rules is accreditation
> >> of DXpeditions
> >> - not any and all logs as it is now being applied in this
> >> discussion - it seems that Wayne's comment is consistent with
> >> the theme of accreditation ** for DXpeditions only **.
> >>
> >> Applying accreditation criteria to non-DXpeditions is a bit
> >> of a stretch, and does not follow the interpretation
> >> information given by the DXCC manager when the rule was made.
> >>
> >> Again, I think they should do away with the rule completely,
> >> and instead require that all logs be made public to remove
> >> the opportunity for any sort of funny business after the
> >> fact. If a call is not in the log, it is not in the log - period.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Bob W5OV
> >> DXCC 329 mixed
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Steve Harrison [mailto:k0xp@dandy.net]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:17 PM
> >> To: Robert Naumann; 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; wn3vaw@verizon.net;
> >> 'CQ Contest Reflector'
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Public access to logs
> >>
> >> At 10:13 PM 3/4/2008 -0600, Robert Naumann wrote:
> >> >Way back when this silly rule was added, I asked the then
> >> DXCC manager
> >> >if this precluded contest logs being public.
> >> >
> >> >This is his reply:
> >> >
> >> >"Regarding contest logs, we really aren't terribly concerned
> >> about non
> >> >DXpedition situations.
> >> >
> >> >73, Wayne, N7NG/1 "
> >> >
> >> >While Wayne is no longer there, I would presume that the
> >> intent has not
> >> >changed.
> >>
> >> Still, that's not written in stone; the DXCC rule, on the
> >> other hand, IS.
> >>
> >> Steve, K0XP
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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