So, let me get this straight, David.
You're saying that because the Cabrillo file format for SS doesn't sequence
the log information in the same exact order it's sent, we can therefore
ignore SS rules (or at least suggestions from the contest head) regarding
what order to send it in... and omit the call sign that is a required part
of the exchange?
I don't see where one has anything to do with another.
How the data is input and transmitted in electronic form is, IMHO,
irrelevant to how two contestants exchange the information on the air.
And if you disagree, then there's a simple solution: Revised the Cabrillo
template for SS for future contests to store the data in the same order it's
sent. Silly? Yup, but no sillier than this same, tired argument.
The rules say, send it this way. The tradition and common practice is, send
it this way. What's so hard about that?
Must we break every tradition, just because we can?
I swear, there are people on this reflector who would not only argue about
how many angels could dance on the head of a pin, but dissect how big the
pin head is, and how you could convince members of the Los Angeles Angels of
Anaheim to start dancing on it in the first place.
-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of David Levine
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:01 AM
To: 'Paul O'Kane'
Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SS SSB And Your Callsign In The Exchange
Paul,
I and others here seem to agree with you. Yes it's the rule and we all need
to comply with the rules at the time. As you noted, no one seems to be
disputing that. Folks that think it is redundant and not necessary are
questioning the value of the requirement. I don't think some folks here can
separate the two.
I also haven't seen anyone respond to my question regarding the Cabrillo
file which needs to be submitted. It doesn't include the redundant call sign
"rule" in it. It only includes the same call sign that exists in any
Cabrillo file which needs to be submitted. So it seems that at least in what
we need to provide to the ARRL as our official submission, they don't want
the redundant call sign either!
David - K2DSL
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul O'Kane [mailto:pokane@ei5di.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:00 AM
To: John Brosnahan -- W0UN
Cc: david@levinecentral.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SS SSB And Your Callsign In The Exchange
Hello John,
> It is a rule -- follow the rules or you have anarchy. (FACT)
Agreed
> If you don't follow the rules then you should be disqualified.
> (OPINION)
Agreed
> If you don't like the rule ask to have it changed. (SUGGESTION)
Agreed - that is what I have done - the ARRL Contest manager is
a subscriber to the cq-contest mailing list.
> I happen to like the rule because the long exchange is one of
> the things that sets the SS apart from other contests. (OPINION)
You are entitled to your opinion. Would you like SS even more
if you had to send your call three times in every QSO, or is it
perfect just as it is?
I asked if you generally support redundancy, or just in this
case - you did not answer.
> If the ARRL changes the rule then I will comply with the new
> rule. (FACT)
If the rule changed to the effect that you had to send your
call 10 times in every QSO, would you comply or would you
try to get the rule changed?
>From what you have said already, once is OK and twice is OK.
Would three times be OK? At what stage might you resist, if
ever?
> Simple, isn't it? (QUESTION)
Yes, it is. I have answered your questions. You know where
I stand. All I know, so far, is that you seem to be prepared
to obey all rules without question, just because they are rules.
Am I wrong? :-)
73,
Paul EI5DI
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