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Re: [CQ-Contest] BOGUS QSO RATES!

Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] BOGUS QSO RATES!
From: "Dennis Younker NE6I" <ne6i@cox.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:03:48 -0800
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FCC Rules Section 97.119 states:

"Each amateur station, except a space station or telecommand station, must 
transmit its assigned call sign on its transmitting
channel at the end of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes 
during a communication, for the purpose of clearly making
the source of the transmissions from the station known to those receiving 
the transmissions."

Depending on the definition of "each communication", it's possible that 
those FCC licensed stations that don't identify after each QSO are in fact 
in violation of FCC rules And since most contest rules state that the 
participant must abide by the rules of his/her licensing authority, the 
station would also be in violation of those contest rules.

--Dennis, NE6I

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Gilbert" <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
To: "Craig Maxey" <ah8dx@msn.com>
Cc: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] BOGUS QSO RATES!


>
>
> Actually, I can think of some things considerably worse during a contest
> than someone not giving their callsign every QSO.  Among them would be
> having a trashy signal more than 5 KHz wide or having somebody try to
> chase you off your run frequency by just plopping down and calling CQ.
>
> More to the point, though, there doesn't appear to be any evidence at
> all that giving your callsign every contact in a contest is a firm
> requirement of either the FCC or the contests sponsors.  In spite of the
> literally tens of thousands of patently obvious occurrences in every
> major contest, have you ever heard of anyone being cited or DQ'd for
> it?  Have you ever even seen an official position taken on it?  The ARRL
> doesn't even address the subject in their white paper on proper HF
> contesting.   CQWW has been using digital full spectrum SDR recordings
> of contests to look for rule violations ... how many entries do you
> think they flagged for not sending their callsign every contact?
>
> I always find it amusing when people wrap their perception or opinion on
> an ambiguous topic with the words "the correct way".
>
> To be fair, I too find it extremely frustrating to tune across a station
> with a pileup (figuring it might be a possible new multiplier) and then
> have to wait several QSOs to find out his callsign, but I consider that
> to be a lack of courtesy on the part of the running station and if he
> persists I just refuse to work him ... then or later.  However, I also
> find it frustrating (and I suspect the pileup does as well) to hear a
> running station send something like "TEST de ZZ8/XX8ABC" after every
> contact.  It slows everyone down as badly as having to wait a QSO or two
> to find out the callsign.  It seems to me that good "ham operating
> practice" in a contest means maximizing the QSO rate for everyone
> involved, including the majority of the callers.  When I'm running a
> frequency I consider it to be my obligation to get everyone on their way
> as soon as possible, which just happens to maximize my rate as well.
> That typically requires me to send my callsign often, but not
> necessarily every QSO.
>
> Dave  AB7E
>
>
> On 11/6/2011 11:15 AM, Craig Maxey wrote:
>> Timo,
>>
>> I respect your list and every operator that has operated a contest but 
>> unfortunately this QSO RATE LIST is "BOGUS".
>>
>> In order to make each and every qso valid, you must identify your call 
>> sign. That is somewhere in your transmission while qso'ing with the other 
>> station. If you do not identify yourself properly with the call sign you 
>> are using, the qso in "INVALID".
>>
>> There is nothing worse during a contest than to come on a frequency and 
>> have an op running them at a high rate of speed only to give his call 
>> sign after he has worked 20 guys or so.
>>
>> I have made it a practice to identify with my call sign each and every 
>> time. You can record me running them in a contest to verify.
>>
>> The problem starts with the committtee; I guess since they don't do 
>> anything about it, it is ok.
>>
>> I find it interesting that the committee speaks about cheating but 
>> overlooks this basic cheating practice.
>>
>> www.ah8dx.wordpress.com
>>
>> I encourage operators in future contests to operate the correct way and 
>> uphold the ham operating standards on the band in order to keep the bands 
>> civilized. No wonder we hear so much crap on the air with guys operating 
>> however they wish.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Craig, AH8DX&  8R1EA
>>
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