How would you view editing them coming back from a break, but before
you started calling CQ again?
73, Guy.
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Dick Green <wc1m73@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've never been in favor of super-strict interpretation of the rules, but I
> think one can make a legitimate argument that *any* editing of the log after
> the contest constitutes operating outside the time limits of the contest.
>
> Consider this: you typo when entering a call and notice it a few QSOs later.
> You make a note to correct the log entry after the contest. Why didn't you
> stop and make the correction when you noticed it? Ah, but that would have
> caused you to lose time that you would otherwise have spent working stations
> or looking for new ones. If you were running stations at 200/hr, your rate
> would drop precipitously and you would lose several QSOs while editing. In
> effect, you are using time after the contest to maintain rate and work more
> stations during the contest.
>
> 73, Dick WC1M
>
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:00 PM, "cq-contest-request@contesting.com"
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>> 1. Re: New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes (Kelly Taylor)
>> 2. Re: New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>> (Stan Stockton)
>> 3. Re: New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes (Radio K0HB)
>> 4. JIDX 2011 Phone contest result (Takao Kumagai)
>> 5. I just noticed.... redux (Radio K0HB)
>> 6. Re: I just noticed.... redux (Paul Stoetzer)
>> I would agree with Hans, but would add that the 'log' isn't just what you
>> type into the computer. I would argue that if you write out a note during
>> the contest correcting an entry, that note becomes part of your log no
>> differently than if you had, in the paper days, scribbled a correction
>> beside the log entry.
>>
>> I don't see scribbling that note as being any different than cursor-arrow up
>> to the correctable entry, knowing that some programs are easier to edit on
>> the fly than others. It shows you DID copy it correctly during the contest.
>>
>> Does anyone have any problem with editing *during* the contest? Let's say
>> you log K0SB and then try to work K0HB later in the contest and get a QSO
>> B4, and are able to determine that you goofed the first time around.
>>
>> I don't think contests are typing competitions any more than contests were
>> penmanship competitions in the paper days.
>>
>> 73, kelly
>> ve4xt
>>
>> On 8/1/12 4:48 PM, "Radio K0HB" <kzerohb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would disagree that grooming your log /post contest/ with an audio
>>> recording is acceptable.
>>>
>>> I believe that my log ought to reflect what I actually recorded IN THE HEAT
>>> OF BATTLE. No exceptions.
>>>
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: LY8O
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 6:57 PM
>>> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>>
>>> Hello ALL,
>>>
>>> Because I can not believe I will be not able to use my own audio recordings
>>> after the contest (what I am doing very rare and just for the really
>>> questionable moments which are very few) I take a look to the
>>> http://www.cqww.com/rules.php and has found something different from Phillip
>>> was wrote.
>>> Here is a part of the text:
>>> "<snip> post-contest modification of a log by using data sources to correct
>>> call sign/exchange errors and "rubber clocking" by the entrant." (chapter
>>> XIII, part C, nr. 3).
>>> There is nothing about usage of the own audio records... All other text is
>>> 100% acceptable for me as well as a new log sending period of 5 days (7
>>> could be easier to remember for the human IMHO :) ).
>>> Will look forward for more clear explanations from CC.
>>>
>>> 73, Remi LY8O
>>>
>>> ZL2TZE wrote:
>>> New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>> Posted on Radio-sport.net
>>> Along with instituting a new five day log submission deadline, the CQ WW
>>> Contest Committee has included a specific rule change for the 2012 CQ WW DX
>>> Contests that seeks to crack down on post contest log changes. "Post-contest
>>> correcting of call signs by using any database, recordings or confirming
>>> QSO's
>>> is not allowed."
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 Phillip
>>> ZL2TZE
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>>
>>
>> Thought it said database, recordings or confirming QSOs. If so, make all
>> the notes you want and fix post contest. Should not be an issue
>>
>> Stan, K5GO
>>
>> Sent from Stan's IPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Kelly Taylor <ve4xt@mymts.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I would agree with Hans, but would add that the 'log' isn't just what you
>>> type into the computer. I would argue that if you write out a note during
>>> the contest correcting an entry, that note becomes part of your log no
>>> differently than if you had, in the paper days, scribbled a correction
>>> beside the log entry.
>>>
>>> I don't see scribbling that note as being any different than cursor-arrow up
>>> to the correctable entry, knowing that some programs are easier to edit on
>>> the fly than others. It shows you DID copy it correctly during the contest.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any problem with editing *during* the contest? Let's say
>>> you log K0SB and then try to work K0HB later in the contest and get a QSO
>>> B4, and are able to determine that you goofed the first time around.
>>>
>>> I don't think contests are typing competitions any more than contests were
>>> penmanship competitions in the paper days.
>>>
>>> 73, kelly
>>> ve4xt
>>>
>>> On 8/1/12 4:48 PM, "Radio K0HB" <kzerohb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would disagree that grooming your log /post contest/ with an audio
>>>> recording is acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that my log ought to reflect what I actually recorded IN THE HEAT
>>>> OF BATTLE. No exceptions.
>>>>
>>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: LY8O
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 6:57 PM
>>>> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>>>
>>>> Hello ALL,
>>>>
>>>> Because I can not believe I will be not able to use my own audio recordings
>>>> after the contest (what I am doing very rare and just for the really
>>>> questionable moments which are very few) I take a look to the
>>>> http://www.cqww.com/rules.php and has found something different from
>>>> Phillip
>>>> was wrote.
>>>> Here is a part of the text:
>>>> "<snip> post-contest modification of a log by using data sources to correct
>>>> call sign/exchange errors and "rubber clocking" by the entrant." (chapter
>>>> XIII, part C, nr. 3).
>>>> There is nothing about usage of the own audio records... All other text is
>>>> 100% acceptable for me as well as a new log sending period of 5 days (7
>>>> could be easier to remember for the human IMHO :) ).
>>>> Will look forward for more clear explanations from CC.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Remi LY8O
>>>>
>>>> ZL2TZE wrote:
>>>> New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>>> Posted on Radio-sport.net
>>>> Along with instituting a new five day log submission deadline, the CQ WW
>>>> Contest Committee has included a specific rule change for the 2012 CQ WW DX
>>>> Contests that seeks to crack down on post contest log changes.
>>>> "Post-contest
>>>> correcting of call signs by using any database, recordings or confirming
>>>> QSO's
>>>> is not allowed."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73 Phillip
>>>> ZL2TZE
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>> --
>>>> "Just a boy and his radio"
>>>> --
>>>> Proud Member of:
>>>> A1 Operators - http://www.arrl.org/a-1-op
>>>> Minnesota Wireless contesters - http://www.W0AA.org
>>>> Arizona Outlaws contesters - http://www.arizonaoutlaws.net
>>>> Twin City DX Assn - http://www.tcdxa.org
>>>> Lake Vermilion DX Assn - http://www.lvdxa.org
>>>> CWOps - http://www.cwops.org
>>>> SOC - http://www.qsl.net/soc
>>>> Twin City FM Club - http://tcfmc.org
>>>> --
>>>> Superstition trails --> http://oldslowhans.wordpress.com/
>>>> Sea stories here ---> http://k0hb.wordpress.com/
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>>
>> Agreed, Kelly. I'd consider a correction note scribbled in the midst of the
>> contest as perfectly within both the letter and spirit of the competition
>> (unless that note was "check my audio recording on that weak callsign at
>> 2109Z" <grin>)
>>
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:07 PM
>> To: Radio K0HB ; ly8o@ot.lt ; cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>
>> I would agree with Hans, but would add that the 'log' isn't just what you
>> type into the computer. I would argue that if you write out a note during
>> the contest correcting an entry, that note becomes part of your log no
>> differently than if you had, in the paper days, scribbled a correction
>> beside the log entry.
>>
>> I don't see scribbling that note as being any different than cursor-arrow up
>> to the correctable entry, knowing that some programs are easier to edit on
>> the fly than others. It shows you DID copy it correctly during the contest.
>>
>> Does anyone have any problem with editing *during* the contest? Let's say
>> you log K0SB and then try to work K0HB later in the contest and get a QSO
>> B4, and are able to determine that you goofed the first time around.
>>
>> I don't think contests are typing competitions any more than contests were
>> penmanship competitions in the paper days.
>>
>> 73, kelly
>> ve4xt
>>
>> On 8/1/12 4:48 PM, "Radio K0HB" <kzerohb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would disagree that grooming your log /post contest/ with an audio
>>> recording is acceptable.
>>>
>>> I believe that my log ought to reflect what I actually recorded IN THE HEAT
>>> OF BATTLE. No exceptions.
>>>
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: LY8O
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 6:57 PM
>>> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>>
>>> Hello ALL,
>>>
>>> Because I can not believe I will be not able to use my own audio recordings
>>> after the contest (what I am doing very rare and just for the really
>>> questionable moments which are very few) I take a look to the
>>> http://www.cqww.com/rules.php and has found something different from Phillip
>>> was wrote.
>>> Here is a part of the text:
>>> "<snip> post-contest modification of a log by using data sources to correct
>>> call sign/exchange errors and "rubber clocking" by the entrant." (chapter
>>> XIII, part C, nr. 3).
>>> There is nothing about usage of the own audio records... All other text is
>>> 100% acceptable for me as well as a new log sending period of 5 days (7
>>> could be easier to remember for the human IMHO :) ).
>>> Will look forward for more clear explanations from CC.
>>>
>>> 73, Remi LY8O
>>>
>>> ZL2TZE wrote:
>>> New CQ WW DX Rule Bans Post-Contest Log Changes
>>> Posted on Radio-sport.net
>>> Along with instituting a new five day log submission deadline, the CQ WW
>>> Contest Committee has included a specific rule change for the 2012 CQ WW DX
>>> Contests that seeks to crack down on post contest log changes. "Post-contest
>>> correcting of call signs by using any database, recordings or confirming
>>> QSO's
>>> is not allowed."
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 Phillip
>>> ZL2TZE
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>> --
>>> "Just a boy and his radio"
>>> --
>>> Proud Member of:
>>> A1 Operators - http://www.arrl.org/a-1-op
>>> Minnesota Wireless contesters - http://www.W0AA.org
>>> Arizona Outlaws contesters - http://www.arizonaoutlaws.net
>>> Twin City DX Assn - http://www.tcdxa.org
>>> Lake Vermilion DX Assn - http://www.lvdxa.org
>>> CWOps - http://www.cwops.org
>>> SOC - http://www.qsl.net/soc
>>> Twin City FM Club - http://tcfmc.org
>>> --
>>> Superstition trails --> http://oldslowhans.wordpress.com/
>>> Sea stories here ---> http://k0hb.wordpress.com/
>>> Request QSL at ---> http://www.clublog.org/logsearch/K0HB
>>> All valid QSL requests honored with old fashioned paper QSL!
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>>
>>
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>> --
>> "Just a boy and his radio"
>> --
>> Proud Member of:
>> A1 Operators - http://www.arrl.org/a-1-op
>> Minnesota Wireless contesters - http://www.W0AA.org
>> Arizona Outlaws contesters - http://www.arizonaoutlaws.net
>> Twin City DX Assn - http://www.tcdxa.org
>> Lake Vermilion DX Assn - http://www.lvdxa.org
>> CWOps - http://www.cwops.org
>> SOC - http://www.qsl.net/soc
>> Twin City FM Club - http://tcfmc.org
>> --
>> Superstition trails --> http://oldslowhans.wordpress.com/
>> Sea stories here ---> http://k0hb.wordpress.com/
>> Request QSL at ---> http://www.clublog.org/logsearch/K0HB
>> All valid QSL requests honored with old fashioned paper QSL!
>> LoTW participant
>>
>> Dear contest lovers
>>
>> Now I uploaded the 2011 JIDX-PHONE contest result on the web.
>> Here is our home page.
>> The 2012 JIDX-CW result will be opened in a month or so.
>>
>> http://jidx.org/
>> --
>> JE1CKA Tack Kumgai
>> je1cka@chofu.jaxa.jp
>> je1cka@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On correction from a couple of guys, Mexico IS a multiplier. My error.
>>
>> But then, with 31 states and a "Federal District", we could have a lot more
>> multipliers!
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>
>> From: Radio K0HB
>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:26 AM
>> To: CQ-Contest
>> Subject: I just noticed....
>> It's called the North America QSO Party.
>>
>> Hawaii is a multiplier.
>>
>> Mexico isn't a multiplier.
>>
>> Odd, that!
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>> --
>> "Just a boy and his radio"
>> --
>> Proud Member of:
>> A1 Operators - http://www.arrl.org/a-1-op
>> Minnesota Wireless contesters - http://www.W0AA.org
>> Arizona Outlaws contesters - http://www.arizonaoutlaws.net
>> Twin City DX Assn - http://www.tcdxa.org
>> Lake Vermilion DX Assn - http://www.lvdxa.org
>> CWOps - http://www.cwops.org
>> SOC - http://www.qsl.net/soc
>> Twin City FM Club - http://tcfmc.org
>> --
>> Superstition trails --> http://oldslowhans.wordpress.com/
>> Sea stories here ---> http://k0hb.wordpress.com/
>> Request QSL at ---> http://www.clublog.org/logsearch/K0HB
>> All valid QSL requests honored with old fashioned paper QSL!
>> LoTW participant
>>
>>
>> Yes, but from NAQP's ridiculous precedent, the Distrito Federal would
>> count as part of the State of Mexico despite the two being separate
>> political entities, so you would add only 31 multipliers, not 32.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul, N8HM
>> Washington, DC
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Radio K0HB <kzerohb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On correction from a couple of guys, Mexico IS a multiplier. My error.
>>>
>>> But then, with 31 states and a "Federal District", we could have a lot more
>>> multipliers!
>>>
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>
>>> From: Radio K0HB
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:26 AM
>>> To: CQ-Contest
>>> Subject: I just noticed....
>>> It's called the North America QSO Party.
>>>
>>> Hawaii is a multiplier.
>>>
>>> Mexico isn't a multiplier.
>>>
>>> Odd, that!
>>>
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>> --
>>> "Just a boy and his radio"
>>> --
>>> Proud Member of:
>>> A1 Operators - http://www.arrl.org/a-1-op
>>> Minnesota Wireless contesters - http://www.W0AA.org
>>> Arizona Outlaws contesters - http://www.arizonaoutlaws.net
>>> Twin City DX Assn - http://www.tcdxa.org
>>> Lake Vermilion DX Assn - http://www.lvdxa.org
>>> CWOps - http://www.cwops.org
>>> SOC - http://www.qsl.net/soc
>>> Twin City FM Club - http://tcfmc.org
>>> --
>>> Superstition trails --> http://oldslowhans.wordpress.com/
>>> Sea stories here ---> http://k0hb.wordpress.com/
>>> Request QSL at ---> http://www.clublog.org/logsearch/K0HB
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