I guess having a civil discussion on contesting is out of the question?
Rick brings up a good point. It is called the Worked All Prefixes
Contest not the CQ WW DX TEST.
I also agree with K5ZD on the points he made. If they took out the
distance multiplier then USA would work USA all day and night as the
prefixes are nearly endless and are the contacts.
I thought it was odd that a MS station could put up as many points as a
full time, fully staffed MM. It sure does not reward the MM ops with
the BIG score that they deserved by working 2x the number of prefixes.
When the multiplier for points per contact is higher than the
Multiplier for the purpose of the contest there is an issue.
How to solve it is a completely different animal! Maybe a distance
based contact point system Where the guy working EU from Colorado is
rewarded more than the guy on the East coast? Just a thought.
Mike W0MU
On 5/8/2013 4:18 PM, Tom Haavisto wrote:
Lets see what you are REALLY suggesting:
The rules ain't fair, you can't win no matter how hard you try, So
LETS CHANGE THE RULES!! YAAYY I WON!!!
Give us all a break.
I can't win either - does that mean I can lobby for a rule change as well?
Seems to me kids in the lower grades in school have something like
this already. They play sports, but they don't keep score. That way,
they can run home and tell their parents they won! Yippeee. I AIN'T
A LOOSER!!
Is this really where we need to go? Don't keep score, and everyone
can claim a win? What happens when they get out into the real world,
and those "no keeping score" rules no longer apply? Their poor egos'
get bruised, they pick up their socks, and either try a different
game, try harder, move on, or whatever.
I really don't wish this to sound as negative as it probably does, but
life is not perfect, and we don't have a level playing field.
Changing the rules to help one competitor in one part of one country
so he can claim a win does not sound very reasonable no matter how
many ways you try and jusify it..
Don't like the rules? Create a new contest where you can guarantee
yourself a win! That way, you can tilt the table all you like... No
more crying how the rules ain't fair.
Tom - VE3CX
P.S. My appologies in advanace to anyone who may be offended by the
tone of this post. Hearing how bad off Rick is just makes me want to
shake my head and wonder. I am sure I am not the only one. I for one
would LOVE to have all the advantages he has... I don't. Life is not
fair that way. I enter, do my best, and at the end of the day, if
things worked well, the stars aligned just the right way - I too might
win... We should all be so lucky.
On 5/8/13, Rick Dougherty <rick@nq4i.com> wrote:
Hi Bill et al....guess I need to make a few additional comments to defend
myself...(is that being self serving?)
The historical data I study after each contest consists of skimmer reports,
signal levels, reverse beacon signal levels and trends, and actual qso
data.
For many years it is definately apparent that there is signal level
differences in Europe on ALL bands when comparing the SE US and the NE
US....I would like to go one further why not let the WRTC competition have
some stations set up in Ga, and maybe a few in Ohio, and Minnesota and of
course a few on the west coast...it is the same country!, So what say? Any
reason why it is not even being considered? It would by the reasons I keep
hearing here, be a fair and level competition.
I wrote the first email to bring to the attention of all that the WPX
contest does not follow its stated objectives...the objective being working
prefixes...the fact that the rules allow different point values is what
causes the skewed and biased scoring advantages handed to the NE
US....plain and simple...and then there are those who say take it or leave
it! Yes it is what it is, but life in full of changes, and we in the
contesting community need to continue to evolve and change as necessary.
One member of this reflector said I was being self serving...in asking for
the 3 point value for each contact, that is not self serving..it would
still take a distance based or bonus value to make my score more
representative. So in the effort to be self serving, 3 points plus a 50%
bonus for every contact is what I really want.
Another member of this reflector stated that I simply did not work enough
6 pointers on the low bands...duh!!!! I have known for many of the 50 +
years that I have been contesting that on the low bands my station needs to
maximize 6 point qso's...you can't work what you cannot hear...unlike a
single op who spends a few hours on 80, and some time on 40...my operator
team is sitting on the band every hour it is open, cqing, and responding to
skimmer spots in hope that a station worth 6 points will call in...my MULT
station on 80m has a decent 4 square for transmitting and 880 ft
beverages....any NE station with 60 ft high inverted V can clean our
clocks...my RUN station on 80m has a 12 element Log Periodic array at 140
ft...it has 11.6 dbi gain...and a boom length of 225 ft....and we cannot
run EU hardly ever! Historic data from the reverse beacon network shows 6-8
db differences between my station and the NE M-M's....there are a number of
2nd and 3rd tier EU stations who do not have enough signal level to make it
past the first hop. Those who do make it to the SE US are down in signal
level...so there are physically not enough stations who are workable in the
first place. The well goes dry very early for the SE US. And don't think I
don't know that W0, W8, W5 and W6's don't have the same problems.
One of the pre contest briefings with the NQ4I team of op's is to make
every effort to get the 6 pointers.... we leave very little on the table,
we work every station we can, and we listen extra heard to see if maybe
there might be another 6 pointer calling down in the noise...
I don't intend to go quietly in the night...I intend to bring the
in-equity's as I see them up and discuss them...if you think I am whining,
you got
another thought coming.
de Rick NQ4I
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 7:26 AM, <Cqtestk4xs@aol.com> wrote:
Never said it was easy from out there, just that it was easier to work
three and six pointers from NE than SE.
You guys out west get your turns in SS and other domestic contests.
73 Bill
In a message dated 5/8/2013 10:54:44 A.M. Coordinated Universal Time,
w0mu@w0mu.com writes:
Try it from Colorado or anywhere further west.
Mike W0MU
On 5/7/2013 2:25 PM, Cqtestk4xs@aol.com wrote:
I'm not for changing the rules but.........
If one thinks the difference in propagation relatively minor you
haven't
operated from both places. I had a friend come down from W2 land
years
ago
and worked in the WAE CW. He was listening on 80 and wanted to know
when
the EU stations got loud. I told him that was as loud as they usually
get.
In the winter K1s can run EU almost 24 hours a day on 40 for CQWW.
Try
that from here.
I'm not saying we don't have advantages, but we do NOT have pretty
much
the
same prop as K1 does.
My previous post summed up SE strategy, work quantity and not
quality.
It
worked for me this year.
Bill K4XS/KH7XS
In a message dated 5/7/2013 8:15:54 P.M. Coordinated Universal Time,
xdavid@cis-broadband.com writes:
In any case I suspect
that many of us not living on the east coast find the distinction
between Georgia and Massachusetts to be relatively minor
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