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From: "Victor M. Walz N2PP" <n2pp@frontiernet.net>
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 13:53:25 -0400
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Thanks Ken.  I support W9KNI's vendor response in the back of the report.
My 10 meter SWR is low for 600-700 kHz.

I have the 2nd Bencher built and will be putting it up @ 40 feet with a 300
degree sidearm.  I will orient it so the lower doesn't turn from 330 to 30
degrees.  I will use higher antennas for those paths.


Vic

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Today's Topics:

   1. Country Files Web Site (Jim Reisert AD1C)
   2. CQ WW Rules Changes (Bill Tippett)
   3. Re: CQ WW Rules Changes (Radio K0HB)
   4. Re: CQ WW Rules Changes (Cqtestk4xs@aol.com)
   5. Re: CQ WW Rules Changes (Richard F DiDonna NN3W)
   6. Errata of CQWW results (Hrvoje Horvat)
   7. Re: CQ WW Rules Changes (jimk8mr@aol.com)
   8. Fwd:  CQ WW Rules Changes (Tom Haavisto)
   9. CQ WW DX 2012 - errata (Braco OE1EMS)
  10. Re: CQ WW Rules Changes (Barry)
  11. Re: CQ WW Rules Changes (Don Field)
  12. WPX Penalty (rob)
  13. Errors arw [sic] errora [sic] (was Re: CQ WW Rules        Changes)
      (Art Boyars)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 19:39:30 +0000
From: "Jim Reisert AD1C" <jjreisert@alum.mit.edu>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Country Files Web Site
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Hi Folks,

I'm the process of re-designing the country files web site at:

    http://www.country-files.com/

I am trying to retain all the original content.  However, it may take
a few days before most things have been restored.  There are probably
many broken links right now.  It will take many days to re-format all
the old release notices, though I plan to do the ones from this year
ASAP.

You can subscribe to the above URL to get an RSS feed of the
postings. Some people may find this convenient.

None of the contest files (downloads) have moved, all can still be
found inside of:

    http://www.country-files.com/cty/

Some of the others will have to move, unfortunately.  If any of the
non-contest URLS are built into your software, please let me know
ASAP (I've already heard from Scott N3FJP).

73 - Jim AD1C

-- 
Jim Reisert AD1C, <jjreisert at alum.mit.edu>, http://www.ad1c.us




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 15:54:07 -0400
From: Bill Tippett <btippett@alum.mit.edu>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Rules Changes
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I noticed this from today' s The Daily DX:

>During the Contest forum at Dayton last weekend CQ WW DX Contest
Director K5ZD, Randy Thompson, did an interesting presentation on the
best contest in the world, the CQ World Wide. He mentioned several
changes that will take place starting this year. The busted QSO
penalty will change from the removal of three QSOs to the removal one
(sic...
probably meant to be "of") two. In addition the CQ WW Contest is working
on new DQ criteria for dirty signals (i.e. wide signals, etc.). Full
details are
expected to be announced well before the contests.

I'm surprised there's been no discussion of the busted QSO penalty change.
Was
this the decision endorsed by the full committee?  IMHO this is one of the
unique features of the CQ WW that encourages logging accuracy.  Changing
the penalty from 3 QSOs to 2 may seem insignificant but it potentially
violates the integrity and consistency of past records, which I feel should
not be done without careful consideration and discussion.

I applaud the move to DQ based on dirty signals.  With the advent of SDR
spectrum recordings, I hope this can be enforced.

73,  Bill  W4ZV


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 00:37:05 +0000
From: Radio K0HB <kzerohb@gmail.com>
To: Bill Tippett <btippett@alum.mit.edu>
Cc: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Rules Changes
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"Penalties" are for lawbreakers and sinners.

You farkle up a QSO, you don't get credited with the Q.  What could be
simpler?

You want a penalty, break the 6th Commandment!

73, Hans, K0HB


On Thursday, May 23, 2013, Bill Tippett wrote:

> I noticed this from today' s The Daily DX:
>
> >During the Contest forum at Dayton last weekend CQ WW DX Contest
> Director K5ZD, Randy Thompson, did an interesting presentation on the
> best contest in the world, the CQ World Wide. He mentioned several
> changes that will take place starting this year. The busted QSO
> penalty will change from the removal of three QSOs to the removal one
> (sic...
> probably meant to be "of") two. In addition the CQ WW Contest is working
> on new DQ criteria for dirty signals (i.e. wide signals, etc.). Full
> details are
> expected to be announced well before the contests.
>
> I'm surprised there's been no discussion of the busted QSO penalty change.
>  Was
> this the decision endorsed by the full committee?  IMHO this is one of the
> unique features of the CQ WW that encourages logging accuracy.  Changing
> the penalty from 3 QSOs to 2 may seem insignificant but it potentially
> violates the integrity and consistency of past records, which I feel
should
> not be done without careful consideration and discussion.
>
> I applaud the move to DQ based on dirty signals.  With the advent of SDR
> spectrum recordings, I hope this can be enforced.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
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-- 
73, de Hans, K0HB
"Just a boy and his radio"
--
Sea stories at --------> http://K0HB.wordpress.com
Superstition trails ---> http://OldSlowHans.com


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 20:47:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cqtestk4xs@aol.com
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Rules Changes
Message-ID: <107c95.65e3d39c.3ed012b2@aol.com>
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This was brought up at the contest forum.  It was no surprise when  K5ZD 
brought up the fact that the top finishing stations had very low NIL while  
the ones lower in the rankings had much higher NILs.  It was explained,
from 
what I gathered, the reduction in penalties would encourage those guys to  
participate.
 
Bill, I am in your camp.  3 points is not that high, especially when  the 
exchange is as simple as it is.  No need to copy the RST, and for 80%  of
the 
stations the zone pops up for you.  All you have to do is copy the  call.  
Duh!  Dumbing down of the contest!
 
But, it is CQ's contest and they can run it anyway they want.
 
Bill K4XS
 
 
In a message dated 5/24/2013 12:39:39 A.M. Coordinated Universal Tim,  
btippett@alum.mit.edu writes:

I  noticed this from today' s The Daily DX:

>During the Contest forum  at Dayton last weekend CQ WW DX Contest
Director K5ZD, Randy Thompson, did  an interesting presentation on the
best contest in the world, the CQ World  Wide. He mentioned several
changes that will take place starting this year.  The busted QSO
penalty will change from the removal of three QSOs to the  removal one
(sic...
probably meant to be "of") two. In addition the CQ  WW Contest is working
on new DQ criteria for dirty signals (i.e. wide  signals, etc.). Full
details are
expected to be announced well before  the contests.

I'm surprised there's been no discussion of the busted  QSO penalty change. 
 Was
this the decision endorsed by the full  committee?  IMHO this is one of the
unique features of the CQ WW that  encourages logging accuracy.  Changing
the penalty from 3 QSOs to 2  may seem insignificant but it potentially
violates the integrity and  consistency of past records, which I feel should
not be done without  careful consideration and discussion.

I applaud the move to DQ based on  dirty signals.  With the advent of SDR
spectrum recordings, I hope  this can be enforced.

73,  Bill   W4ZV
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 21:12:40 -0400
From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@verizon.net>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Rules Changes
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Bill, I wasn't at Dayton so I didn't get the chance to talk to anyone 
about the changes (you often get some pretty good insight after about 
10:00 pm on Friday or Saturday night).

While I agree that the leniency on busted calls -might- cause one to 
throw a bit more caution to the wind, I don't think there is concern 
about integrity of records.  The CQWW scoring is an ever-floating system 
- owing to the ever changing nature of multiplies.  When I first started 
contesting in the late 1980s, there were 321 entities on the DXCC list.  
There are now 340 - with many of those 19 new entities being ones that 
MOST stations can work on at least one band (the PJs, E7, OM, 9A, S5, 
and FJ). In the 2011 CQWW SSB test, those entities constituted probably 
30 entity mults that would not have been available to me in 1989. That 
represents close to half a million points in additional score.

I think the effect of new mults has a more pronounced effect on records 
than changing the penalty on busted QSOs - which for a good op is 
probably no more than 2% of one's score.

73 Rich NN3W

On 5/23/2013 3:54 PM, Bill Tippett wrote:
> I noticed this from today' s The Daily DX:
>
>> During the Contest forum at Dayton last weekend CQ WW DX Contest
> Director K5ZD, Randy Thompson, did an interesting presentation on the
> best contest in the world, the CQ World Wide. He mentioned several
> changes that will take place starting this year. The busted QSO
> penalty will change from the removal of three QSOs to the removal one
> (sic...
> probably meant to be "of") two. In addition the CQ WW Contest is working
> on new DQ criteria for dirty signals (i.e. wide signals, etc.). Full
> details are
> expected to be announced well before the contests.
>
> I'm surprised there's been no discussion of the busted QSO penalty change.
Was
> this the decision endorsed by the full committee?  IMHO this is one of the
> unique features of the CQ WW that encourages logging accuracy.  Changing
> the penalty from 3 QSOs to 2 may seem insignificant but it potentially
> violates the integrity and consistency of past records, which I feel
should
> not be done without careful consideration and discussion.
>
> I applaud the move to DQ based on dirty signals.  With the advent of SDR
> spectrum recordings, I hope this can be enforced.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
> _______________________________________________
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> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 13:58:27 +0200
From: Hrvoje Horvat <hrle@ipazin.net>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Errata of CQWW results
Message-ID: <519F55E3.3000103@ipazin.net>
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Hello contest world,

anybody have an idea for how long the Errata (Corrections to Published 
Results) have been standing published on cqww.com site? There is no any 
official news or information given out about publishing of these 
corrections?!

The corrections themselves did not change the CQWW results, but they 
sure effected team selection process of WRTC 2014.
http://www.cqww.com/results_2012cw_errata.htm
http://www.cqww.com/results_2012ssb_errata.htm

I hope that decisions makers are now happy:
in WRTC 2010, 3 potential teams were banned from WRTC with rubber 
clocking on their backs
in WRTC 2014, 5 potential teams were awarded with WRTC with rubber 
clocking on their backs

Some of us learn twice... for ourselves and for others!

Nevertheless, hear you in CQWPX CW!

73,
Hrle - 9A6XX





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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 23:50:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: jimk8mr@aol.com
To: Cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Rules Changes
Message-ID: <8D02648EDD9B327-4BC-147CF@webmail-m248.sysops.aol.com>
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 I was not at the contest forum, but several observations:

1.? The issue was addressed in the recent CQWW survey. Might the change
indicate that most people thought a 3 qso penalty was excessive?

2.? For operators of merely human abilities, callsign error rates are a
function of how good you are at watching SuperCheckPartial. Not purely a
matter of how well you copy stuff.

3.? I find that some of my errors are ones where I likely copied the call
OK, but typed badly. (Especially on SSB where the computer does not send out
what you type).

73?? -?? Jim?? K8MR


 



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From: Cqtestk4xs &lt;Cqtestk4xs@aol.com&gt;
To: cq-contest &lt;cq-contest@contesting.com&gt;
Sent: Thu, May 23, 2013 9:46 pm
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Rules Changes

 
 
 
This was brought up at the contest forum.  It was no surprise when  K5ZD  
brought up the fact that the top finishing stations had very low NIL while

the ones lower in the rankings had much higher NILs.  It was explained,
from  
what I gathered, the reduction in penalties would encourage those guys to   
participate. 
  
Bill, I am in your camp.  3 points is not that high, especially when  the  
exchange is as simple as it is.  No need to copy the RST, and for 80%  of
the  
stations the zone pops up for you.  All you have to do is copy the  call.   
Duh!  Dumbing down of the contest! 
  
But, it is CQ's contest and they can run it anyway they want. 
  
Bill K4XS 
  
  
In a message dated 5/24/2013 12:39:39 A.M. Coordinated Universal Tim,   
btippett@alum.mit.edu writes: 
 
I  noticed this from today' s The Daily DX: 
 
&gt;During the Contest forum  at Dayton last weekend CQ WW DX Contest 
Director K5ZD, Randy Thompson, did  an interesting presentation on the 
best contest in the world, the CQ World  Wide. He mentioned several 
changes that will take place starting this year.  The busted QSO 
penalty will change from the removal of three QSOs to the  removal one 
(sic... 
probably meant to be "of") two. In addition the CQ  WW Contest is working 
on new DQ criteria for dirty signals (i.e. wide  signals, etc.). Full 
details are 
expected to be announced well before  the contests. 
 
I'm surprised there's been no discussion of the busted  QSO penalty change.

 Was 
this the decision endorsed by the full  committee?  IMHO this is one of the 
unique features of the CQ WW that  encourages logging accuracy.  Changing 
the penalty from 3 QSOs to 2  may seem insignificant but it potentially 
violates the integrity and  consistency of past records, which I feel should

not be done without  careful consideration and discussion. 
 
I applaud the move to DQ based on  dirty signals.  With the advent of SDR 
spectrum recordings, I hope  this can be enforced. 
 
73,  Bill   W4ZV 



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 21:42:05 -0400
From: Tom Haavisto <kamham69@gmail.com>
To: CQ Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Fwd:  CQ WW Rules Changes
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tom Haavisto <kamham69@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Rules Changes
To: Bill Tippett <btippett@alum.mit.edu>


I was at the presentation, and the thinking was that the top operators
try very hard to get everything right.  One busted QSO can (and has)
made the difference between first/second place, so accuracy counts.
To a large extent, folks at this level will be unaffected by reducing
the penalty from 3 to 2.  However, folks "in the middle and lower"
tend to be less careful, and they get whacked pretty hard.  Randy made
an example of one person making 30 QSOs, messing up a dozen and ending
up with a negative score.  Clearly, this was not a serious entry, but
I am sure they were shocked to end up with a negative score!  Randy
did some checking, and the change will not make a big change to the
top scores, so it seemed like a reasonable change.


As for the dirty signals, this rated pretty high in the survey
results.  The thinking is - the person with the dirty signal is
actually better off, as folks will tend to move a bit further away in
order to escape the dirty signal, leaving him with less QRM/better
off.  The open question being - how is this going to be determined?
They have SDR recordings for the entire contest, so "after the fact"
analysis is certainly possible.  For now, good idea, have data - just
need a way to figure out who the offenders are.  If anyone has a way
to objectively determine a good/bad signal, please let Randy know.


Tom - VE3CX



On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Bill Tippett <btippett@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> I noticed this from today' s The Daily DX:
>
>>During the Contest forum at Dayton last weekend CQ WW DX Contest
> Director K5ZD, Randy Thompson, did an interesting presentation on the
> best contest in the world, the CQ World Wide. He mentioned several
> changes that will take place starting this year. The busted QSO
> penalty will change from the removal of three QSOs to the removal one
> (sic...
> probably meant to be "of") two. In addition the CQ WW Contest is working
> on new DQ criteria for dirty signals (i.e. wide signals, etc.). Full
> details are
> expected to be announced well before the contests.
>
> I'm surprised there's been no discussion of the busted QSO penalty change.
Was
> this the decision endorsed by the full committee?  IMHO this is one of the
> unique features of the CQ WW that encourages logging accuracy.  Changing
> the penalty from 3 QSOs to 2 may seem insignificant but it potentially
> violates the integrity and consistency of past records, which I feel
should
> not be done without careful consideration and discussion.
>
> I applaud the move to DQ based on dirty signals.  With the advent of SDR
> spectrum recordings, I hope this can be enforced.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
> _______________________________________________
> CQ-Contest mailing list
> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest


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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:47:15 +0200
From: "Braco OE1EMS" <oe1ems@emssolutions.at>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX 2012 - errata
Message-ID: <012101ce5852$e8f3afd0$badb0f70$@emssolutions.at>
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http://www.cqww.com/results_2012ssb_errata.htm

 

http://www.cqww.com/results_2012cw_errata.htm

 

Red cards changed into yellow cards?!

 

Very interesting to see there is again pre WRTC competitors tuning on the
work!

 

My congratulations to Fabio IT9GSF and Sandy DL1QQ they after Dayton
conversation 

with K5ZD made it to avoid RC and now can be part of the WRTC game!

 

Nothing against you girls and boys (GSF and QQ)  but what is it all about?

Do you think you feel better as others who didn't had possibility to avoid 

RC on that way? Or you are just better because you can go WRTC now ..

 

In past years I saw many manipulations but this going too far me.

Every time I lsn to those webinars hearing how CC want to made

Contesting more fair etc  and then CC doing such things? Is this fair play
for everyone?

 

Sorry to say this but more and more I would like to have alternative and to

send my log who knows how to judge and where we have same criteria

for everyone and they don't change their decisions every few moths!

 

Big unlike for CC and K5ZD!

 

73s

Braco E77DX

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 21:15:06 -0600
From: Barry <w2up@comcast.net>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Rules Changes
Message-ID: <519EDB3A.3060901@comcast.net>
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I was there.  Randy said a number of guys were winding up with negative 
scores.  That certainly doesn't encourage long term participation by 
newbies.

Barry W2UP

On 5/23/2013 19:12, Richard F DiDonna NN3W wrote:
> Bill, I wasn't at Dayton so I didn't get the chance to talk to anyone 
> about the changes (you often get some pretty good insight after about 
> 10:00 pm on Friday or Saturday night).
>
> While I agree that the leniency on busted calls -might- cause one to 
> throw a bit more caution to the wind, I don't think there is concern 
> about integrity of records.  The CQWW scoring is an ever-floating 
> system - owing to the ever changing nature of multiplies.  When I 
> first started contesting in the late 1980s, there were 321 entities on 
> the DXCC list.  There are now 340 - with many of those 19 new entities 
> being ones that MOST stations can work on at least one band (the PJs, 
> E7, OM, 9A, S5, and FJ). In the 2011 CQWW SSB test, those entities 
> constituted probably 30 entity mults that would not have been 
> available to me in 1989. That represents close to half a million 
> points in additional score.
>
> I think the effect of new mults has a more pronounced effect on 
> records than changing the penalty on busted QSOs - which for a good op 
> is probably no more than 2% of one's score.
>
> 73 Rich NN3W
>
> On 5/23/2013 3:54 PM, Bill Tippett wrote:
>> I noticed this from today' s The Daily DX:
>>
>>> During the Contest forum at Dayton last weekend CQ WW DX Contest
>> Director K5ZD, Randy Thompson, did an interesting presentation on the
>> best contest in the world, the CQ World Wide. He mentioned several
>> changes that will take place starting this year. The busted QSO
>> penalty will change from the removal of three QSOs to the removal one
>> (sic...
>> probably meant to be "of") two. In addition the CQ WW Contest is working
>> on new DQ criteria for dirty signals (i.e. wide signals, etc.). Full
>> details are
>> expected to be announced well before the contests.
>>
>> I'm surprised there's been no discussion of the busted QSO penalty 
>> change.  Was
>> this the decision endorsed by the full committee?  IMHO this is one 
>> of the
>> unique features of the CQ WW that encourages logging accuracy. Changing
>> the penalty from 3 QSOs to 2 may seem insignificant but it potentially
>> violates the integrity and consistency of past records, which I feel 
>> should
>> not be done without careful consideration and discussion.
>>
>> I applaud the move to DQ based on dirty signals.  With the advent of SDR
>> spectrum recordings, I hope this can be enforced.
>>
>> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>> _______________________________________________
>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:00:22 +0100
From: Don Field <don.field@gmail.com>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Rules Changes
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I suspect the answer is actually quite mundane. When the 3:1 penalty was
first introduced, log checking was still on paper and only a small
proportion of errors were actually detected (in any case, with paper logs,
many participants didn't even send in logs as it was such a chore, so those
QSOs couldn't be checked). So 3:1 was a way of making up for the limited
checking that could be done.

Nowadays, with computer log checking, typically 70% or more of QSOs get
checked, so fewer than half of any errors go undetected. On that basis a
2:1 penalty seems entirely appropriate?

Don G3XTT

On 24 May 2013 04:15, Barry <w2up@comcast.net> wrote:

> I was there.  Randy said a number of guys were winding up with negative
> scores.  That certainly doesn't encourage long term participation by
> newbies.
>
> Barry W2UP
>
>
>


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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 08:02:01 -0500
From: "rob" <wa1fcn@charter.net>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] WPX Penalty
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With all the recent talk of CQ WW penalty change I
was wondering about WPX.  Maybe I missed it but in
reading the rules I do not see it.
What is the penalty for wrong serial number or NIL or
busted call ?
BoB WA1FCN

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 10:37:07 -0400
From: Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Errors arw [sic] errora [sic] (was Re: CQ WW
        Rules   Changes)
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I find myself disagreeing with K8MR.  What am I doing wrong?

"2.? For operators of merely human abilities, callsign error rates are a
function of how good you are at watching SuperCheckPartial. Not purely a
matter of how well you copy stuff."

I guess that's right.  And I guess that I am making it harder for myself by
NOT using the technology of SCP at home.  ("Tune for maximum fun", for me,
does not include SCP.  But "de gustibus non disputandum est," and maybe
I'll change my mind when I can no longer remember call signs from previous
SS.)

"3.? I find that some of my errors are ones where I likely copied the call
OK, but typed badly. (Especially on SSB where the computer does not send
out what you type)."

Well !!  I have opined previously that typing errors (even so-called
"obvious typo's") are, in fact, errors.  If you did not get the info into
your log correctly - DURING THE 'TEST -- you have busted that part of the
QSO.  (See my "Busted" thread, on losing the SSCW Sweep for mis-typing a
call.)  For myself, I'm still learning how to copy 'phone to the keyboard.
Lot's of typing errors, but they are errors.  (See my "Busted again" thread
on losing the SS Phone Sweep for busting a Check.)

73, Art K3KU


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