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Re: [CQ-Contest] Preview of CQWW Rules 2015

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Preview of CQWW Rules 2015
From: "Yan (XV4Y)" <xv4y@nature-mekong.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 08:35:38 +0700
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Hi Olli,

I admit this will be a bit of work to implement while not perfectly insuring 
logging integrity as editing might be possible.
However, about "resetting the computer's clock", the logging software can also 
check that current time is not inferior to the last QSO time... easy to 
implement and that will be a further step guaranteeing log integrity.

The goal is to make log padding less easy, because today it's really too 
tempting, being only a matter of copy/paste in a text editor.
In IARU HF, it's even "traditional" for some HQ stations to just take the call 
book and run it into your log as you can go away with it without cross-checking 
possibility.
The problem for Vietnam is that even if I manually add all the licensed 
operator to my HQ log, that will only give me 50 QSOs...

The "for the few guys that are a problem" argument is not relevant however. 
Because it will of course allow to discourage some cheaters, but also give the 
"honest participant" the recognition of their performance. It works two ways.
Even more, you can also argue that this will only concern 3-10 guys among the 
thousands of contesters : the winners... Even if the contest is not organized 
only for those few guys (the winners), it is necessary for all the participant 
to guarantee that the winners really deserve their price.

73,
Yan.
---
Yannick DEVOS - XV4Y
http://www.qscope.org/
http://xv4y.radioclub.asia/

Le 22 mai 2015 à 04:09, cq-contest-request@contesting.com a écrit :

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> Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 20:08:46 +0200
> From: Oliver Dr?se <droese@necg.de>
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> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Preview of CQWW Rules 2015
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>>>> One further step would be for the Logging Software to digitally 
> sign the log (the QSO part, not the Header) to ensure it is not manually 
> edited afterward. This will need some slight (retro-compatible) 
> modification to the Cabrillo format and collaboration with software 
> writers (to exchange the sets of signing keys), however it will greatly 
> reduce the possibility of log padding and editing. <<<<
> 
> Yan,
> 
> while I get what you intent how shall that really work? The Cabrillo is 
> generated from your logging software. So instead of editing the Cabrillo 
> what should hinder people to edit in the logger before generating the 
> Cabrillo? Now you could request that the loggers don't accept editing of 
> a log after the contest is over. Well, resetting the computer's clock 
> will brick that solution, too. ;-)
> 
> Maybe too much programming/software requests for the few guys that are a 
> problem. If people want to get around it they will find a way to do it. 
> The problem is the mindsets, not the technique ...
> 
> Vy 73, Olli - DH8BQA
> http://www.dh8bqa.de

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