Distance-based scoring is not without its own faults.
Much of the same ‘advantages’ remain, since it’s far easier to pluck off
8,000-km QSOs at high rates from Aruba than from VE4.
Indeed, it’s not beyond the pale than an Aruba station would work 8,000-km QSOs
at a higher rate than we could work 2,000-km QSOs.
New England would still work Europe at higher rates than we would work
Americans. New Englanders would still be working Europeans at very high rates
while we were still waiting for Europe to appear at all.
I am NOT arguing for any adjustment to the rules to favour us. I’m just
pointing out that you’d merely be trading one unlevel playing field for another.
73, kelly
ve4xt
> On Nov 6, 2015, at 12:10 PM, Tom Georgens <tomgeorgens15@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I appreciate the kind words in these posts, but would rather this thread
> not be about me.
>
> Simply, I just try my best, but would not claim to be the best
>
> To the subject at hand, creating a balanced playing field on scoring is
> close to impossible. Every QTH has its plusses and minuses. 8P is about
> 1500 miles from Miami and further from the US radio population centers than
> parts of Zones 9 and 10. It is also very far east and not as good day/night
> alignment with the US for the ARRL contests. OTOH - It has great
> propagation to Europe and better high band propagation to the US than the
> northern Caribbean as the sunspots decline. In the end, this is where I
> chose to operate and I live with the good and bad. I also realize that most
> people do not get to choose where they operate. I further realize that the
> Caribbean get special points treatment that the rest of the world does not
> get
>
> While there are too many variables to balance to create a level playing
> field, I do think it is unfortunate that the WPX and WW (CW and SSB) use
> largely the same points scheme. Whatever areas are disadvantaged, are
> similarly disadvantaged in both contests. It would be interesting of one of
> them, likely WPX, moved to a more innovative scoring system, maybe distance
> based. Surely, this will create unfairness of its own, perhaps more so,
> but it may give opportunities for certain geographies to compete globally in
> a major contest.
>
> Since global scoring fairness is likely impossible, competition will always
> have a strong regional component. In the end, it is about building the best
> station you can, operating it to the best of your ability and measuring
> yourself against your regional competitors.
>
> As for 8P, I think there was a time when it actually was considered South
> America. If only ...
>
> 73, Tom W2SC 8P5A
> Still a little tired from CQWW SSB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> john@kk9a.com
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 4:59 AM
> To: Helmut Mueller
> Cc: john@kk9a.com; 'Fernando PY2LED'; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Why some Caribean Islands compete as South America
> at CQWW
>
> I agree with DF7ZS.
>
> It takes a tremendous effort to build and maintain a station in the
> Caribbean. The tower and antenna corrosion is unbelievable, especially
> where dissimilar metals touch. Most station owners are absentee owners who
> have little free time to keep things working. Fortunately a little goes a
> long way when near the sea and you can be very competitive with a modest
> station. Low band conditions are much worse in zone 9 than in zone 8 so to
> some degree more points are justified. There are better and worse places
> to operate a CQ contest but what fun would this be if everyone was at D4,
> CN or EA8?
>
> W2SC consistently does a fantastic job from 8P5A. Tom is a great guy who
> has shared much information with me about his operations. However, I would
> not use the word best since there are a number of super-ops, especially in
> CQWW contests.
>
> John KK9A
>
> On Fri, November 6, 2015 3:59 am, Helmut Mueller wrote:
>> Hi @ ALL.
>>
>>
>> Why does P4, PJ2 and PJ4 count to south America? Well a look at a map
>> could help to solve this mystery. :)
>>
>> Yes, it might be an advantage operating from there, but maybe not.
>> It is a big effort to build huge superstations, but should it be
>> sanctioned? No, big effort make things change. It is also a big effort to
>> create and maintain stations on Caribbean islands. Should it be
>> sanctioned? NO! And again ... this helped winning for a while.
>>
>> Look at 8P5A (Tom W2SC) ... he belongs to North America, and has a
>> tactical points disadvantage over SA Islands and he wins it anyway ...
>> year after year!!! To me Tom is the best operator I know in the world and
>> he is in the perfect location. Want to sanction this?
>>
>> Conclusion: Now we are building TOP super stations on tactical well
>> selected locations, Morocco for example. CN2R, CN3A and lately CN2AA.
>> CN2AA has more than double points to claimed place #2. Should we sanction
>> that? I think NO. Thats the normal evolution.
>>
>> 1985 you could will M/M with 21.9 M Points ... 2015 you need 75 MIO!
>>
>>
>> Do I have a "neutral" view on that? NO .... I operated 7x from
>> P4/PJ2/PJ4. And 10x from CT3. I can tell you it is not easy keeping the
>> station on CT3 up and running and competitive. We are playing with old
>> worn out amps and beaten up TH6 Beams. Its just a question of time
>> someone wants to build a superstation there!
>>
>> 73
>>
>>
>> Helmut
>>
>>
>
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