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Re: [CQ-Contest] Why SuperCheckPartial makes you assisted

To: richnn3w@verizon.net, cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Why SuperCheckPartial makes you assisted
From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 12:21:37 -0600 (CST)
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 Well Rich... The answer depends on where you draw the line(s).


IMHO, the so-called "assisted" category (pending a better term) should refer to 
amateurs whom, in real-time during the contest period, receive direct or 
indirect information or data regarding where, when, and how other stations are 
operating.  ("How" can mean how often they ID, patterns as to how they work 
stations WRT mults, etc.  "Where" and "when" I would think would be self 
explanatory)


I'm sure if someone were to codify that into a rule, it would be better worded, 
but that's the gist.


So, with that reference point in mind...


Is monitoring a packet cluster or RBN "assisted" category?  Yes
Is someone calling you on the local repeater?  Yes
Telephone?  Yes
EMail?  Yes
Walking into your shack and tapping you on the shoulder to get your attention?  
Yes.


Using a CTY, ZON, or SCP file that you pre-loaded on your computer?  NO.  


Why no?  Because they're not being constantly uploaded & updated in real-time 
during the contest.


Note that the above definition is also only referring to aiding the op in 
finding other stations (including mults, of course).  Other forms of 
"assistance" are not prohibited.  (Want to prohibit them?  Be my guest, but 
write your own definition)
 
Now, I'm sure that someone will try to shave the hairs even thinner.  I am not 
proposing this as "the" definition of a technologically-aided SO category, 
especially one that is finely crafted as to try and catch every possible 
exception, omission, or aside.  I simply think that was the gist of the 
intended category when it was crafted... and the start of this endless argument 
that is caused by an unfortunate (in hindsight) selection of verbage.

73, ron w3wn

On 11/24/15, Richard F DiDonna NN3W wrote:

Agree. So, how about a .cty file or a .zon file? You didn't develop 
them on your own. How about one of those prefill databases for Sweeps. 
Or an oblast file for RDXC?

We really are bordering on the absurd.

73 Rich NN3W

On 11/24/2015 11:47 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
> No Hans, especially in light of some of the subsequent posts... it 
> illustrates my point that the word "assistance" is so often misused, 
> sometimes deliberately by some, to the point of absurdity.
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> IMHO, and with no disrespect intended: The Assisted category should be called 
> something else, without using that word, to avoid the ambiguity. And the wise 
> acres and the pot stirrers and all the rest.
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> That, or we'll be reading this thread, again, at least once more within the 
> next year, and the next, and the next, ad infinitum ad nauseum.
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> 73, ron w3wn
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> On 11/24/15, Radio K0HB wrote:
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> That's a red herring, Ron.
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> For purposes of radio sport I think we can agree that we are talking about 
> the exchange of Information regarding call signs and/or QRGs with other 
> operators, INFORMATION that we did not personally develop.
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> 73, de Hans, K0HB
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> "Just a Boy and His Radio"?
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> On Tuesday, Nov 24, 2015 at 09:09, Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>, 
> wrote:
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> Does "outside assistance" include or exclude one's spouse (or significant 
> other, parental unit, or total stranger making a delivery from the corner 
> deli) from providing the operator with snacks, a sandwich, or a drink?
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