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Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net

To: "Fco. Luis Delgadillo" <xe2b@outlook.com>, Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>, 'CQ Contest' <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
From: Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@contesting.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 06:54:21 -0400
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Sorry, Ron, but I totally disagree. If it doesn't *assist* someone to watch a scoreboard without band breakdown information (and it doesn't), then it is not *assistance*.

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On 4/5/2016 12:52 AM, Fco. Luis Delgadillo wrote:


Enviado desde mi Huawei de Telcel
Ron
A couple of questions:

Have you tried yourself the live scoreboard.

The Best way to finding out, is perhaps, if you try the scoreboard and then have an informed opinion - to discern facts from gut feelings?

-------- Mensaje original --------
Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
De: Ron Notarius W3WN
Para: 'Pete Smith N4ZR' ,'CQ Contest'
CC:


    But here's the thing Pete.



    When you receive that information. how did you get it? Where did
    it come
    from? You said yourself. "You must decide to post your score" and what
    other information is to be posted for use by other operators.



    So ultimately, the answer is. it came from other operators who are
    posting
    that information. How is that not assisted?



    Look, I don't have a problem with the scoreboard or similar
    exchanges of
    information. I'm not saying that the software that provides the
    capability
    should be disabled.



    Just please don't tell me that it's not "assisted" and using it
    doesn't put
    you into an Assisted or equivalent operating category. It is. (Or
    to put
    it in the vernacular, don't spill a drink on my slacks and then
    tell me it's
    raining.)



    Sometimes I operate Single Op/Assisted. Sometimes I don't. The
    reasons why
    vary depending on the event in question and how I am choosing to
    approach
    it. I'm comfortable with either category these days. I just don't
    pretend
    one is the other. And I don't ask that the line between them be
    blurred.



    Either you are assisted. or you aren't. It is that simple.



    73, ron w3wn



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    From: Pete Smith N4ZR [mailto:n4zr@contesting.com]
    Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:01 PM
    To: Ron Notarius W3WN; CQ Contest
    Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net



    Ron, at least in the case of cqcontest.net and users of MM+, this
    isn't
    true. You must decideB to post your score, and you can decide (in MM+)
    whether or not to include a band breakdown.B Without band information,
    access to this resource is nothing but fun, and should not be
    considered
    assistance.B Perhaps the sponsors could voluntarily disable the band
    breakdown display during contest weekends, and the whole issue
    would go
    away.



    73, Pete N4ZR
    Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
    . Check
    out the Reverse Beacon Network at
    , now
    spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
    For spots, please use your favorite
    "retail" DX cluster.

    On 4/4/2016 8:16 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:

    ...The scoreboard is directly based on spotting information.
    Therefore,
    information derived from it is (IMHO) assistance for the purposes
    of most
    contests that recognize this category.





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