Re: [CQ-Contest] KU1CW location

[Ria Jairam <rjairam@gmail.com>]

It's part 97. Every FCC amateur licensee should be familiar with Part 97.

97.107 is the relevant section.

http://www.arrl.org/part-97-text

Ria
N2RJ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Zack Widup <w9sz.zack@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm confused. Those links are only to definitions of terms, not to any
> regulations.
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Ria Jairam <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Part 97 also plainly states that the agreement also applies.
>>
>> 97.107:
>>
>> The privileges granted to a  control operator
>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=2250b23d1939a08f78f3131500b39503&term_occur=2&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>
>> under
>> this authorization are:
>>
>> (b) For an  amateur service
>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=04a685c8637e98919b1b6170f440c331&term_occur=6&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>
>> license
>> granted by any country, other than Canada, with which the United  States
>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=974fe48061e86e76cd884bfb06a1dca5&term_occur=5&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>has
>> a multilateral or bilateral agreement:
>>
>> (1) The terms of the agreement between the alien's government and the
>> United States;
>>
>> (2) The operating terms and conditions of the  amateur service
>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=04a685c8637e98919b1b6170f440c331&term_occur=7&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>license
>> granted by the alien's government;
>>
>> (3) The applicable rules of this part, but not to exceed the  control
>> operator
>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=2250b23d1939a08f78f3131500b39503&term_occur=4&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>
>> privileges
>> of an  FCC
>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=e5deaec63e3a2b2b86f45ed00919800e&term_occur=5&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>-granted
>> Amateur Extra Class operator license; and
>>
>> (c) At any time the  FCC
>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=e5deaec63e3a2b2b86f45ed00919800e&term_occur=6&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.107>
>> may,
>> in its discretion, modify, suspend or cancel the reciprocal operating
>> authority granted to any person by this section.
>>
>> Ria
>> N2RJ
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:52 AM Peter Bowyer <peter@bowyer.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, but the conditions under which the reciprocal privileges are granted
>>> (in this case ) are governed by CEPT and adopted by FCC. In order to
>>> benefit from the CEPT arrangements, FCC has to adopt its rules.
>>>
>>> The 'no remote operation' principle comes from the CEPT rules.
>>>
>>> Peter G4MJS
>>>
>>> On 6 Jun 2017 10:46 p.m., <w5ov@w5ov.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > From what I read at the link you provided, it is precisely as I said:
>>> >
>>> >      "US Law applies and the operators must comply with FCC rules as if
>>> > they were physically within the USA".
>>> >
>>> > I see nothing that changes that.
>>> >
>>> > More specifically, anyone operating a remote station in the USA must obey
>>> > the USA FCC Law as if they were here in the USA.
>>> >
>>> > 73,
>>> >
>>> > Bob W5OV
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, June 5, 2017 12:02 pm, Peter Bowyer wrote:
>>> > > Sorry Bob you're wrong there. FCC has adopted the CEPT T/R 61-01
>>> > > regulation to make reciprocal licensing easier.
>>> > >
>>> > > http://www.arrl.org/foreign-licenses-operating-in-u-s
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Peter G4MJS
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 5 June 2017 at 13:07,  <w5ov@w5ov.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> N2RJ said:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> " Just be careful that you are indeed doing so. CEPT T/R 61-01 is not
>>> > >> sufficient authorization for a European licensee to operate an
>>> internet
>>> > >> remote base in the US while being physically present overseas...."
>>> > >>
>>> > >> EU rules do not apply to amateur radio transmissions made from within
>>> > >> the USA under any circunstances.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Where the operator is located is completely irrelevant.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> What happens on the air from a USA station is governed by US FCC Law -
>>> > >> nothing else.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> US Law applies and the operators must comply with FCC rules as if they
>>> > >> were physically within the USA.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 73,
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Bob W5OV
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
>>> > Of
>>> > >> Ria
>>> > >> Jairam
>>> > >> Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 5:53 PM
>>> > >> To: W4AAW@aol.com
>>> > >> Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] KU1CW location
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> W1VE and other serious operators of remote-capable stations will
>>> > >>> agree with me:  We remote-capable stations are not trying to fool
>>> > >>> anyone or gain some sort of geographical or unfair advantage.  We're
>>> > >>> just being
>>> > >> competitive and striving to do so strictly within the rules.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> There is really nothing wrong with trying to gain an advantage during
>>> a
>>> > >>  contest. That's what contesting is. As long as it is within the
>>> rules.
>>> > >>  Operating from elsewhere to do better in contests has been a staple
>>> of
>>> > >>  contesting for pretty much as long as it has existed.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> 2. Alex is a member of TeamW4AAW, which operates the first Totally
>>> > >>> Remote
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> M/M station.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> We have 31 team members who operate W4AAW's positions from all over
>>> > >>> NA,
>>> > >>> from Panama,  Europe and Asia, provided they meet legal/licensing
>>> > >> requirements.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Just be careful that you are indeed doing so. CEPT T/R 61-01 is not
>>> > >> sufficient authorization for a European licensee to operate an
>>> internet
>>> > >> remote base in the US while being physically present overseas. Even if
>>> > >> they were allowed, their home license restrictions and power limits
>>> > >> (while not
>>> > >> exceeding US Extra) apply. In the UK it is 400 watts for full licenses
>>> > >> and in Germany it is 750W for class A licenses. Other European
>>> countries
>>> > >> may be different. The best thing for them to do to be compliant with
>>> the
>>> > >> laws of the US is to get a US license. There are VE sessions in many
>>> > >> countries overseas and one can get a license by passing the (now very
>>> > >> easy) exams. No code required, even.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> 4.  The 3830 comments for KU1CW @ W4AAW in the CQWPX CW test very
>>> > >>> clearly show the  locations of each operator.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> An awards chaser who isn't competing in the contest is unlikely to
>>> know
>>> > >>  about nor care about 3830. The best thing to do would be to put the
>>> > >> location of the stations in the QRZ profile, which is the first place
>>> > >> they look.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 73
>>> > >> Ria, N2RJ
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 4:30 PM, W4AAW@aol.com via CQ-Contest
>>> > >> <cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Here is the correct information on KU1CW in the CQWPX CW contest.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 1. Alex has just moved to Washington State.  He has not yet modified
>>> > >>> his
>>> > >> license to reflect this recent development.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 2. Alex is a member of TeamW4AAW, which operates the first Totally
>>> > >>> Remote
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> M/M station.  We have 31 team members who operate W4AAW's positions
>>> > >> from all over NA, from Panama, Europe and Asia, provided they meet
>>> > >> legal/licensing requirements.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 3. Since a W4 call sign is common in WPX tests, I suggested to Alex
>>> > >>> we use
>>> > >> KU1CW for the contest.  Alex agreed. So, the entry (as shown on 3830)
>>> > >> was KU1CW@ W4AAW.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 4.  The 3830 comments for KU1CW @ W4AAW in the CQWPX CW test very
>>> > >>> clearly
>>> > >> show the locations of each operator.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> If some people had bothered to read information that is readily
>>> > >>> available
>>> > >> in that posting, it would not have been necessary to cast aspersions.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> During some periods of the contest, Alex even operated SO2R, using
>>> > >>> two
>>> > >> W4AAW positions remotely, from Washington State.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> W1VE and other serious operators of remote-capable stations will
>>> > >>> agree
>>> > >> with me:  We remote-capable stations are not trying to fool anyone or
>>> > >> gain some sort of geographical or unfair advantage.  We're just being
>>> > >> competitive and striving to do so strictly within the rules.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Cheers!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 73, Mike W4AAW
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
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