You are right.
The selection process ideally should be changed, especially for
countries with several area slots for WRTC.
Each area should hold WRTC like contest (or two) during the selection
period.
And winners of these local RTC should go to WRTC.
This would allow true operators competition not biased by geography or
cost of setup.
73, Igor UA9CDC
12.06.2018 6:04, rjairam@gmail.com пишет:
I understand this as far as the remote op themselves goes.
What about the ops who get pushed out of 1st place in their district due to
a remote or out of area guest op? How does qualification work for them? Do
they just lose the points, or do they get the 1st place points or something
else for competing against resident ops?
This has to be considered because if aspiring WRTCers go remote to gain
points to qualify then selecting by geography makes absolutely no sense.
Ria
N2RJ
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 8:54 PM Timothy Coker <n6win@yahoo.com> wrote:
I suppose it would be like when KL9A proved that ARRL CW could be won
(claimed as of now) while remote...
He appropriately reported his QTH as ME.
Section 6, area 2 of the 2018 WRTC qualification rules state that only
four scores from out of your home area will be accepted.
“ A maximum of 4 Event Scores can be from outside an applicant’s home
Selection Area (i.e.,
DXpeditions).”
That will undoubtedly be modified to include remote operations. As Ria
states, remote operation is obviously here to stay.
Not all of us have the resources and motivation to build a great station.
Thus people end up traveling. Multi scores are already limited and I can
completely understand how the progression of remote ops tech helps our
hobby as a whole with aging ham populace’s / smaller home lots.
Tim / N6WIN.
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On Monday, June 11, 2018, 15:24, rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com>
wrote:
I really wonder how qualification is going to work out next time, at least
in USA? You compete in your area to win points to earn a spot but many
competitors are now clustered using remotes in W1 and W2. So you can’t
really win the region because someone from W7 or W0 or some other area will
use a remote and win the district and use points to qualify in their home
district?. So how does that work?
Remote operation is here to stay but qualification criteria for WRTC will
need to adjust. If you’re competing primarily in W1 then you should compete
against W1, as it is in the actual contest results.
Ria
N2RJ
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:51 PM Joe <nss@mwt.net> wrote:
Actually it is just like the "Olympics"
One reason I really do not watch the Olympics anymore.
1- Professionals now allowed.
2- You can live full time in the USA, but if your bloodline like you
have a third cousin three times removed, that is from jamaica, you can
enter in as a Jamacian.
SUCKS!
the rule should be your primary residence or citizenship is where you
are from.
If you want to be on the team from CHAD, go live there full time.
Joe WB9SBD
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On 6/11/2018 5:16 AM, Trent Sampson wrote:
So what?
If you want team Africa - you need to select Africans
Makes a folly of the "Olympics of Amateur Radio"
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com> On Behalf Of
David
Siddall
Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 1:20 PM
To: cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC looking for a new team leader
Three points that one should consider on this topic.
1. With regard to the selection of an operator from Africa : there
were
only 3 competitors from Africa above 10,000 points in the qualifying
period, and many from other areas above 10,000 did not make the cut.
Indeed, there is no other op from Africa with more than even 4,500
points
-- the drop-off was very sharp after no.3. Unfortunately, whether
justified or not, one of the top three was DQ in the CQWW and therefore
not
eligible. Another was selected TL, but now has to cancel. No. 3 (EA8RM)
already is on a team as a TM. After that, there may be some super
operators -- and I think that there are -- but one cannot objectively
base
a WRTC selection decision on this because none compiled a record during
the
qualifying period anywhere near close to that of hundreds of other
competitors around the world who are not getting to compete.
2. With regard to teammates having to be from the same qualifying area
:
this is not the rule, and in fact fully 20 percent of the team leaders
chose teammates from outside their qualifying area. Our communications
cross boundaries, and so do friendships, respect, and operating ability.
3. With regard to the contest activity in Africa : there have been very
significant efforts to promote ham radio and contesting in Africa, but
obviously much more needs to be done. The WRTC selection process isn't
the
problem, sustained contest activity from Africa is the problem.
73, Dave K3ZJ
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net
wrote:
< >
My original query was not about why a replacement was picked. I
understand completely that things happen, even at almost the last
minute, and that the WRTC sponsors need the flexibility to make a
replacement.
I was simply curious as to why it appeared that there was little to no
consideration of replacing the first qualifier from AF with the next
person in line.
Now, I'm just curious. I am not asking for an explanation, nor do I
wish to imply that anyone owes me one. (Obviously Jorge may feel
differently about that). Nor is the WRTC committee required to
explain... it would be nice if they did, but they're not required.
To my way of thinking, though, one would hope that there is when a
substitute is picked, one of two reasons takes place...
(1) The next (or next best) qualifier for the region, if any, is
asked, and if they can go at the last minute, accepted
(2) The next best overall qualifier, regardless of region, is asked,
etc.
< >
73, ron w3wn
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Shohet, KQ2M
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 2:43 PM
To: Stephen Bloom; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
Medical situations often arise unexpectedly. I was a US Team Leader
for WRTC 2006 held in Florianopolis, Brazil and I was forced to
withdraw just one month before WRTC as a result of severe
complications of surgery, which made it impossible for me to operate
much less travel.
As a group, as contesters continue to age, it is more and more likely
that we will see an increase in medically related reasons for
withdrawals.
73
Bob KQ2M
From: Stephen Bloom
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 11:39 AM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
Hi all:
One thing is, I imagine it is quite rare for someone to drop out after
qualifying. People work for years and invest considerable time,
money, and various other resources in order to qualify. The most
likely scenario is a very last minute thing. Someone gets sick, or
has a family emergency Or some situation in their home country becomes
dangerous. In this case, the replacement process in the WRTC rules,
(basically a ad hoc, "ok, who can do this" process) is the only
feasible option. The partner is already there, it wouldn't be right
to sideline him/her etc. (Full disclosure, I'm already Planning on
being in Wittenberg, and I did put in for the position.) A change a
month ahead of time isn't exactly the same, but I'm not sure it is
that much different. It would be tough to get someone who wasn't
already planning on being there.
Regarding DL1CW, I know the request states that he *must* be the
partner.
Even if that wasn't included though, I can't imagine anyone not giving
him the spot, it's simply the right thing to do.
73
Steve KL7SB
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From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
Of Jorge Taboada
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 3:27 AM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
Hi To all.
Well Randy is talking about 2 differents issues, one are rules, rules
that under my personal view are not good in many aspects, but now is
not the question to talk about rules...... but I would like to says
something, there is a clasification, so 1st african TL second TM, and
the same for all others continents....... obviusly, the second guy was
working hard trying to be in the wrtc and he cannot, this is not fair,
for that's reason, 1º and 2º must be the team.
But my question is, the african TL for X reason cannot go to wrtc, the
team must be dissolve inmediately, new TL must has the option to
choice his own TM... maybe he will accept the currently TM, who knows,
but, anyway, new TL must have 2 options, choice a new one or accept
the
currentlyTM.
Finally, under my personal opinion, team members must be classified,
from Africa,.... in other case, are not a real African team
representation.
73s
Jorge Taboada Pareja, EA9LZ ED9Z EF9R CN2R 5E5E P.O.BOX 530
51001 CEUTA, SPAIN
www.giraldatop.com<http://www.giraldatop.com/>
________________________________
De: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
Enviado: viernes, 8 de junio de 2018 19:21
Para: 'Jorge Taboada'
Asunto: RE: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
In other words, they who wrote the rules left themselves a loophole to
appoint their own buddies. In short, you're shafted.
And then they wonder why I have no interest in this alleged
competition. I know a stacked deck when I see one...
Sorry OM, you deserved better.
73, ron w3wn
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
Of Randy Thompson K5ZD
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 5:02 PM
To: 'Jorge Taboada'; 'Alex Malyava'; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
The Team Leader and Team Mate (TM) selection process is described at
http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/competition/selection-criteria-2
Section 8 says "Each Team Leader may select a Teammate (TM) from
anywhere in the world." That is how 5H3EE could select DL1CW as a
teammate.
The WRTC2018 selection policies can be found at
http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/competition/selection-policies-2
Section 2 describes the process that will happen if a Team Leader (TL)
withdraws. When it is this close to the date of WRTC, the option is
to make a request for Wild Card teams that would be able to attend the
competition.
The wild card team has to offer the TM position to DL1CW.
It is complicated, but this is not the first time this situation has
occurred for a WRTC.
73
Randy, K5ZD
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com> On Behalf Of
Jorge Taboada
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 3:56 PM
To: Alex Malyava <alex.k2bb@gmail.com>; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
Hi Again.
I am sorry but I do not understand, African team must be integrated
by those who classified from Africa no from Germany. Other history,
if the wrtc allowed to the TL have a Team mate from anywhere..... in
this case this is not a real a World Radio Team Champion.
One more time, I do not understand, I am sorry.
73s
Jorge Taboada Pareja, EA9LZ ED9Z EF9R CN2R 5E5E P.O.BOX 530
51001 CEUTA, SPAIN
www.giraldatop.com<http://www.giraldatop.com/>
________________________________
De: Alex Malyava <alex.k2bb@gmail.com>
Enviado: viernes, 8 de junio de 2018 12:08
Para: Jorge Taboada
Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
... because 5H3EE is German?
On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 5:59 AM, Jorge Taboada
<ea9lz@hotmail.com<mailto:ea9lz@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hi.
yes is corious, specially for me, I am not a very intelligent guy,
so I do not understand, why for the African Team, there is a DL
station as Team Mate? waiting for some help to clarifying me, this
rare
situtation.
73s
Jorge Taboada Pareja, EA9LZ ED9Z EF9R CN2R 5E5E P.O.BOX 530
51001 CEUTA, SPAIN
www.giraldatop.com<http://www.giraldatop.com><http://www.giraldatop.
co
m/>
________________________________
De: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest-
bounces@contesting.com>> en nombre de Ron Notarius W3WN
<wn3vaw@verizon.net<mailto:wn3vaw@verizon.net>>
Enviado: miércoles, 6 de junio de 2018 6:07
Para: cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
Curious. Was there no one else from AF qualified or qualified
enough for WRTC?
One would think that if the, or one of the, 'winners' from AF for
WRTC could not attend, the next person in line would get the call.
73, ron W3WN
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Thompson K5ZD
<k5zd@charter.net<mailto:k5zd@charter.net>>
To: cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-
contest@contesting.com>>
Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 7:58 am
Subject: [CQ-Contest] [WRTC2018] looking for a new team leader
Forwarded on behalf of DL5AXX.
Hello contester,
as the designated team leader of 'AF' had to refuse his
participation due to personal reasons we would like replace the team
'AF' by a wild card team.
So we invite you to send wild card applications for the now open TL
position with DL1CW as team mate.
The deadline for the wild card application is Saturday, June 9. 2018
at 2359z received at
qualification@wrtc2018.de<mailto:qualification@wrtc2018.de>.
Please explain, why you are applying as TL.
After the deadline, we will choose the new TL as soon as possible.
--
73 Ulf, DL5AXX
WRTC2018 qualifications
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