David, I think you also live in the country. Must be nice to have a quiet
place without plasma tv's and dimmers etc. I will say, the power company here
has been very helpful in finding sparking wiring and bad insulators. I
appreciate their help.
I would love to get away, but that is not in the cards anymore.
73
Dale, k9vuj
On 12, Feb 2014, at 9:47, David Robbins <k1ttt@verizon.net> wrote:
> that's why I have nice quiet bands from dc to daylight and you have been
> suffering for 8 years!
>
>
> Feb 12, 2014 10:22:21 AM, dj2001x@comcast.net wrote:
>
> I'm sorry David, but I don't agree with you.
>
> Dale, k9vuj
>
>
>
> On 12, Feb 2014, at 7:19, David Robbins wrote:
>
>> is he not stealing your right to pursue happiness?? have you not been harmed
>> by his noise generator the same as if he had been running a stereo too loud
>> after you go to bed? does your continued silence not enable him to keep
>> violating the law??
>>
>> you will find that most of those things have been tested at one time or
>> another to comply with emission requirements, but then they are 'cleaned up'
>> by the production engineer who doesn't understand why all those 'extra'
>> components are needed and gets rid of them to reduce cost. if no one reports
>> problems, the production engineer gets a big bonus and does it again on the
>> next model. if someone forgets to tell a new assembler that he has to
>> connect that little green wire to the case it won't get caught at import
>> time because not every copy of a tv gets tested, just the first prototype
>> that is gone over with a fine tooth comb before emissions testing... after
>> they get a certification number they are done.... sure it would be nice to
>> randomly check production units, but who has time and money for that? unless
>> someone complains! without the complaint no one investigates, without an
>> investigation no one gets fined, if no one gets fined then no investigator
>> gets a big bonus, so help out the investigators and report noise makers!
>>
>>
>> Feb 12, 2014 08:04:34 AM, dj2001x@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Theft is a different situation.
>>
>> I say that potential radiators should be tested, like they test amplifiers
>> before they are released for sale. None of that's done, no oversight. We
>> have LED lights now that generate RFI. If these same LED lights were
>> knocking out TV's how long do you think they'd allow that to go on?
>>
>> 73
>> Dale, K9VUJ
>>
>>
>> On 12, Feb 2014, at 6:50, David Robbins wrote:
>>
>>> well, if your neighbor was stealing gas from your car would you report it
>>> to the police??? or would you expect them to be checking the level in your
>>> tank for you every day to see if some was missing? if your neighbor was
>>> running nightly parties that kept you awake would you confront them about
>>> it? if they didn't stop would you call the police?? or would you expect
>>> police to be checking for all noise in the neighborhood to stop at a 9pm
>>> curfew??? if you saw your neighbor dealing drugs out of his house would you
>>> report it to police or just assume that they will eventually figure out
>>> that something was going on and catch them without your help??
>>>
>>> If you don't inform your neighbor that their tv is causing interference
>>> (preferably the first week then have it) and coach them to return it to the
>>> manufacturer as a defective device for violating part 15 or 97 or whatever
>>> it might be, who will?? if they don't then fix it, and you don't report it
>>> to the fcc, then who will?? The fcc, like the local police, can't be
>>> everywhere all the time to find intermittent local interference sources.
>>> they are busy enough trying to take care of those who do file complaints
>>> without going around looking for more work.
>>>
>>>
>>> Feb 12, 2014 05:12:16 AM, dj2001x@comcast.net wrote:
>>>
>>> With all the regulations "since 1920's", why then am I still plagued with a
>>> plasma TV next door?? Eight years it's been.
>>>
>>> Am I the responsible person to go to my next door neighbors, inform them
>>> they have an illegal TV and demand they get rid of it??
>>>
>>> Kurt, respectfully, you can cite all the rules and regulation etc you want,
>>> but the fact of the matter is, we are not protected. They import (or build
>>> it in country) this junk that causes interference and nothing is being done
>>> about it, unless I do it myself demanding they get rid of the noise maker,
>>> plasma TV and light dimmers. I ain't gonna do that. I guess I could
>>> relocate as many have already done, being driven away from man made noise.
>>>
>>> It's not my job to enforce those regulations, the government entity that is
>>> supposed to oversee, don't.
>>>
>>> If these devices don't fall under the part 15 or whatever part, then why
>>> aren't new regulations made that do? It's still up to the government
>>> regulate these interference making devices, but…..here we are, light
>>> dimmers, plasma tvs, fish tank heaters, dog water dish heaters, hot tub
>>> equipment etc. It's continued to be mfg, sold and used. Now we have to
>>> watch out for the LED lights they'll be in your neighborhood soon.
>>>
>>> No oversight, no protection.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Dale, k9vuj
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11, Feb 2014, at 22:17, "KD7JYK DM09" wrote:
>>>
>>>> : Nothing. I guess the rules don't provide us any protection from this
>>>> junk.
>>>>
>>>> When did this mentality take hold? We've been protected from interference
>>>> since the 1920's. Does anyone bother to familiarize themselves with the
>>>> rules (actually, Code Of Federal Regulations, Telecommunications) any more?
>>>>
>>>> Do you want every POS ever made removed, or just the one, MAYBE two units
>>>> you actually hear that is affecting you?
>>>>
>>>> Start with CFR 47, Part 97, so you know who you are and what rights and
>>>> privileges your license offers you, then, check out CFR 47, Part 15 and 18
>>>> for all the stuff that's not permitted to interfere with you and what
>>>> steps
>>>> everyone else must take to rectify it. In your research, you will also
>>>> find
>>>> copies of notices referring to interference caused to other, letters of
>>>> forfeiture (fines), some in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and even
>>>> notices to cease all operation, all due to interference to "amateur" radio.
>>>>
>>>> Kurt
>>>>
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