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Re: [RFI] Station ground - more

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Subject: Re: [RFI] Station ground - more
From: GARY HUBER <GLHuber@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:16:58 +0000
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Only ONE neutral - ground bond allowed. Only at the MDP; all sub-panels 
must have the neutral - ground bonding screw removed, then supplemental 
grounds may be applied.

73 ES DX,
Gary - AB9M

On 9/28/2016 12:19 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Wed,9/28/2016 9:37 AM, Kenneth G. Gordon wrote:
>> For instance, when I was wiring our new addition, the wiring included 
>> a sub-panel,
>> connected to the main panel by a run of #00 4 wire cable. With the 
>> assistance of our
>> youngest son, we drove an 8' ground rod directly under the sub-panel 
>> with the thought that I
>> had to connect that to the sub-panel's ground lug.
>>
>> Yet I was told by the electrical inspector that this was NOT allowed, 
>> but that we had to run a
>> separate ground wire from the sub-panel at least 30 feet to the 
>> main-panel's ground lug and
>> connect them together there.
> He's partly right and partly wrong. Under the current NEC, you MUST 
> carry ground from the main panel. Under older versions, (10 years or 
> more) you did not need to carry ground between two buildings (but you 
> MUST carry ground everywhere in the same building).  Where he's wrong 
> is that you can ADD as many grounds ANYWHERE and connect them to the 
> equipment ground (the green wire, which MUST be bonded to the 
> enclosure of every electrical enclosure) ANYWHERE in the building. 
> Fundamental rule -- you can have as many grounds as you like, but they 
> MUST all be bonded together.
>
>> I was also told that the ground-rods we drove (3 ea 8 footers, 
>> separated by at least 6 feet
>> and all tied together) must be the ONLY such ground system in the 
>> entire home,
>
> WRONG
>
>> and that
>> every grounded item in the entire home must be connected to that and 
>> only to that.
>>
>> So, why the apparent discrepancy?
>
> He is ignorant of the code. Not all that uncommon -- electricians 
> sometimes get to be inspectors by longevity as electricians, or 
> through "connections" within the industry.
>
>> For one thing, I suspect that the ~30' long ground wire from the 
>> sub-panel to the main panel
>> is conducting RF, especially on 40 meters, into some of the 
>> electrical appliances in the new
>> addition. I also believe that the present ground system in the shack 
>> is not adequate, since at
>> present it is only being connected to the panel-ground through the 
>> green grounding wires of
>> the electrical service.
>
> The earth is NOT a sump into which hum, buzz, and RF is poured. A 
> connection to earth matters ONLY for lightning protection. Bonding 
> (connecting all grounds together) is critical for lightning 
> protection, electrical safety (shock, fires), and to some extent, hum, 
> buzz, and RFI.
>
> I've written extensively on this, and the writing is not 
> "pronouncements" but is accompanied by discussions of WHY.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>> Ken W7EKB
>>
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